To use another example... how many people on this list are providing
totally open, unrestricted, unfiltered Internet service to customers?
You aren't filtering SMB or NetBIOS or DHCP or any other protocols that
have no use on the network? You are doing ZERO protection for your
customers? I doubt it. You are doing that because you are trying to
avoid the customer support calls, truck rolls, etc... because people
don't understand what they are doing with technology.
Apple does the same thing. Lock down the devices so people can't cause
damage to themselves, that Apple then has to fix. :)
Travis
On 10/5/2016 4:57 PM, Nathan Anderson wrote:
People also want their computers to work, period. I'm not sure I see
the difference. This device of mine that you call a "phone" is not
actually a phone. That's a misnomer. It is a pocket computer that
happens to have a phone app on it.
There are a lot of circumstances today where I used to carry a laptop,
but I now carry a phone SO THAT I don't have to carry a laptop with me.
The same kind of security model has been applied to so-called tablets,
which are basically touch-screen laptops without a keyboard on them,
but many of them can have a keyboard added if desired. This is not a
phone vs. computer debate. The form factor has little to do with the
issue at hand. Apple has even made steps that hint at them trying to
do similar things to the Mac. It may only be a matter of time until
you can't even use a laptop "to do whatever you want".
-- Nathan
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 05, 2016 3:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google wants to be Apple
This literally made me laugh out loud... you realize this is less than
1% of 1% of the population? Why not just carry a laptop with you to do
whatever you want?
People just want their phones to work, period. They want to text,
Facebook, Snap, Instagram, and take pics. There are probably 1,000
people total that need to do what you are talking about with their
phones... that's a VERY small percentage. :)
Travis
On 10/5/2016 4:47 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
Just the fact that Apple now hides the file system from the user
and makes it impossible to directly manipulate things is a deal
breaker for me. I can understand why they did it, to stop people
from shooting themselves in the foot.
But there a myriad of things I can do on a OnePlus One running
CyanogenMod that are impossible/restricted/locked down on an
iPhone. With the right GUI tools and Termux a cyanogenmod phone is
very close to a basic Linux shell system:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux&hl=en
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Nathan Anderson <nath...@fsr.com
<mailto:nath...@fsr.com>> wrote:
To some people, such as myself, openness matters as much as or
more than certain design aspects. I used iPhones from 2008-2012
and did enjoy them, but that was back when jailbreaking was more
or less mainstream. The fact that I even had to jailbreak in the
first place, though, to use *my* phone the way that *I* wanted to
bothered me, and I switched to Android when Apple's code-signing
BS got to be too much and actually ended up screwing me over at
one point.
I'm not saying that code-signing is bad...it is great from a
security standpoint for the average user. But if somebody desires
to turn it off, there should be a way for the owner of the phone
to do so. By all means, make it a difficult process so that the
bar to entry is high enough to dissuade the average user from
doing so, but make it *possible*. Apple doesn't just use
code-signing for security, they also use it as a bludgeon with
which to bully their users.
So if there is one aspect where I hope Google did *not* copy Apple
in this endeavor, it is this. The bootloader on the new phones
better darn well be unlockable by the user without the user having
to exploit a security vulnerability to do so.
-- Nathan
-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 3:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google wants to be Apple
Some people ride a Honda, some people ride a Harley. Some people
drive a
Chevy, some people drive a BMW.
I think it was you that even said "If the price was the same, everyone
would be using an iPhone"... which I honestly believe. I have used a
brand new Samsung phone with Android, and the first thing I noticed is
that the screen response is not the same as an iPhone... it's not as
smooth, or as refined. Yes, it works... it scrolls and it zooms and
resizes, just like a Chevy gets you from Point A to Point B... but
if a
BMW was the same price as a Chevy, 99% of the population would be
driving BMW.
Just my thoughts. :)
Travis
On 10/5/2016 3:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> I will point out (again) that 8 to 9 of 10 smartphones on the planet
> are Android. So while making it "elegant" is important, it's
probably
> more important to make it affordable.
>
> My Nexus phone is a damn fine phone, and I don't feel like I've been
> left out of anything at all.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 10/5/2016 1:57 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>> https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/05/not-ok-google/
>>
>> It's taken a while, many years, but Google has finally admitted
that
>> Apple had it right all along... you have to control the
hardware AND
>> software to have an awesome product. This was Steve Job's goal from
>> the very beginning with the Macintosh... and now everyone else is
>> finally understanding.
>>
>> So now Google is copying everything Apple does... even down to the
>> marketing materials. Every commercial they run (along with Samsung
>> and everyone else) is always "this is why our product is better
than
>> Apple". If a company really believes that, you don't have to
make the
>> direct comparison. LOL
>>
>> "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" ~Charles Caleb Colton
>>
>> Travis
>>
>
>
