Seriously though... Alphion obviously doesn't have the level of software toys/tools that Calix does obviously, but when the cost is like 1/8th, you can spend that money on contractors and OLTs and ONTs and get way more subs installed much faster - and it's something that is still based on open standards.
That's a hard business proposition to ignore. On Mar 6, 2017 6:59 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote: > haha… yeah fair enough ;) > > On Mar 6, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > > It can be different when you're the one paying for it :) > > On Mar 6, 2017 5:13 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote: > >> Interesting …. do they work ok? >> >> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more >> than that. I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk >> in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing. >> >> >> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote: >> >> I'm importing direct from China. 16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power >> Supply for $3200. ONT's for $25. PLC's from $2-10 depending on the >> split. Check Alibaba. >> >> Regards, >> Chuck >> >> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in >>> another OLT if needed. >>> >>> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >>> >>> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was >>> 64x1. The company I just got off the ground did 16x1. >>> >>> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets. >>>> >>>> >>>> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the >>>> future. >>>> >>>> >>>> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split? >>>> >>>> >>>> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might >>>> cause some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX. >>>> >>>> >>>> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can >>>> still supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that >>>> much on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially >>>> backwards compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like >>>> mine. But again, lots of power is required. >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON >>>> >>>> >>>> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple >>>> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change. All >>>> the splitters etc still work. That will give everyone on the PON 312.5 >>>> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time. So oversubscribing 3:1 you could >>>> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom. >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Carlos Alcantar >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM >>>> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON >>>> >>>> >>>> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this >>>> year giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Carlos Alcantar >>>> >>>> Race Communications / Race Team Member >>>> >>>> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 >>>> >>>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com / >>>> http://www.race.com >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of George Skorup < >>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones >>>> and watching Netflix. >>>> >>>> The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the >>>> utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week and turn up another >>>> switch. The 1Gbps feed is averaging less than 100Mbps every night. The >>>> network owner was convinced that everyone had to have 1G FDX. They just >>>> don't realize how much electronics and power is required for 1k ports. >>>> There's less than 100 customers so far, so please, for the love of god, >>>> lets fix this now! We'll see what happens. >>>> >>>> Anyway.. this project we're looking to do on our own is a neighborhood >>>> of rich bitches. We already have PMP450 there and it works fine. They "want >>>> more speed" and if they're willing to put up some cash for it, then we'll >>>> build it. >>>> >>>> On 3/4/2017 9:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >>>> >>>> Alphion does, yes. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 4, 2017 9:53 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> What kind of costs are you talking? >>>> Does it talk to ONTs? ONTs with POTS ports? >>>> >>>> Sterling is AE, I know his costs are pretty low. >>>> -----Original Message----- From: George Skorup Sent: Saturday, March >>>> 04, 2017 8:39 PM To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [AFMUG] >>>> Small-scale GPON >>>> >>>> We're looking to do another "fiberhood" with GPON instead of AE this >>>> time around. I remember Chuck Hogg mentioned Alphion. Has anyone deployed >>>> the AOLT-4200? Looks like a good solution. Or what else have you used for >>>> small deployments? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >