And illegal. - Josh
On Jun 22, 2017 11:22 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > We go from bad idea to worse? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, June 22, 2017 10:15:11 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? > > Can you block/throttle a VPN connection with DPI? Make it so that if the > customer turns it on the VPN their connection gets worse than with it off? > > On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On that point, we tell them that it is not our responsibility to track >> their specific usage. We tell them that their are routers like the >> Fortigate which can track usage, but that we do not support those devices. >> I tell them that I think the new Torch router does it too, but that we have >> no experience with these devices. "The only way that we track which >> websites are visited and what you are doing on the Internet is with a >> warrant or an order from the Department of Justice". We stand behind our >> usage tracking, and if they do not want to pay the bill then they can find >> another provider. We have lost two or three customers over four years who >> refuse to pay, and it usually isn't worth sending those ones to >> collections. We just go and collect our equipment and write it off as bad >> debt. >> >> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> That's an interesting point. >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net> >>> To: af@afmug.com; "Wireless Administrator" <wirel...@htn.net> >>> Sent: 6/21/2017 3:18:07 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? >>> >>> We fade out our usage based plans. *Every* single customer who had to >>>> pay surplus makes us a lot of work. Calls from each single family member, >>>> what IP is this. Why cant you tell me what x.y.z.w is. I dont use Akamai >>>> ... >>>> You have to take care there is no angry escalating dispute for a view >>>> Euros. I am sure this service times cost us more money than the customers >>>> had to pay surplus. We have to do flat pricing. >>>> >>>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:59:41 +0000 >>>> "Wireless Administrator" <wirel...@htn.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This industry is in trouble. Nobody wants usage based billing. >>>>> Customers don’t want it for obvious reasons. ISP’s are afraid to implement >>>>> it for fear of losing customers. If you lose money on an account is it >>>>> really an asset to your business? I feel that the Large ISP’s have already >>>>> implemented Usage Based Rate Adjustment. They seem to have an automated >>>>> process to adjust rates that will force off the heavy users. Our industry >>>>> will not get respect until it asks for it. UBB or UBRA (New term I >>>>> coined) >>>>> is the way …. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka >>>>> Technologies >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:07 PM >>>>> To: Simon Westlake >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Simon, >>>>> >>>>> But metered billing makes them think about what they are doing. Does >>>>> the baby need to be falling asleep watching a 4K movie? The best way I >>>>> can >>>>> put it is renting an apartment with utilities included. If I'm renting an >>>>> apartment in FL with electric included, my AC is going to be set at 68 >>>>> 24/7. The cat will be very comfortable all day, why should I care. >>>>> However, if I'm paying for electric, the cat will have to deal with 78 >>>>> during the day and I may have to deal with 72 when I get home. >>>>> >>>>> Bandwidth prices are dropping for some, but for others it is still >>>>> expensive. Not to mention the HW costs to upgrade your network to handle >>>>> the higher bandwidth internally. >>>>> 4K tvs cost more to buy than 1080 or 720 TV's. Why should someone >>>>> who is willing to stream at 720 or pay for satellite TV, be forced to pay >>>>> the same as that guy that wants to watch in 4K. Why should a single >>>>> person >>>>> who just needs dependable fast internet occasionally be force to pay the >>>>> same amount as the family with 6 kids and 30 devices? Why should the kid >>>>> willing to buy his game on a disc be forced to pay the same as the guy who >>>>> doesn't want to get up off the couch to change a disc? >>>>> Why is it we are the only industry that is expected to deliver a top >>>>> notch fast and reliable service at a single low price. The electric >>>>> company gets to charge per KW, the all you can eat buffet charges per >>>>> person, the cell phone company charges per device, cable/satellite charges >>>>> per box, hell even the streaming companies get to put limits on the number >>>>> of people that can stream per account. Why is it when we ask a heavy user >>>>> to pay their fair share all hell breaks lose and we are the greedy >>>>> bastards? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- Best regards, >>>>> Mark <mailto:m...@mailmt.com> mailto: >>>>> m...@mailmt.com >>>>> >>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>>> <http://www.MyakkaTech.com> www.MyakkaTech.com >>>>> >>>>> Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life >>>>> <http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL> >>>>> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL >>>>> >>>>> Please Donate at Please Donate at <http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html> >>>>> http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html >>>>> ------ >>>>> >>>>> Wednesday, June 21, 2017, 1:11:27 PM, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The problem with metered billing is that it doesn't solve the problem. >>>>> The customer still purchased a game they want to download, or they have a >>>>> 4K TV they want to watch movies on. Most people are just going to look for >>>>> other options if they have to pay every time they try to use a device in >>>>> their household, and even if people are willing to pay, you still have to >>>>> be able to deliver enough service to them to give them the speeds they >>>>> want. >>>>> >>>>> Until there is more spectrum available, I think DPI is a much better >>>>> solution.. you can deprioritize and shape things like game downloads, and >>>>> prioritize/shape their video streaming. I wish there was a better option, >>>>> but I really don't think implementing UBB is a solution to this problem. >>>>> It >>>>> may give you more money to build up your network a bit, but it is poison >>>>> to >>>>> most customer's ears, and it won't change their behavior that much unless >>>>> it's extremely painful for them financially. >>>>> >>>>> On 6/21/2017 10:51 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> metered billing.. wave of the future >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Adam Moffett < <mailto: >>>>> dmmoff...@gmail.com> dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I read some scary stuff the other day along a similar vein. >>>>> >>>>> Basically if you're selling 25mbps then you'll need a 4:1 >>>>> oversubscription ratio to support peak hours hi def streaming without >>>>> complaint. >>>>> As adoption of 4K video increases, that ratio will approach 1:1. >>>>> You'll have to either start supplying 100meg, or start billing for >>>>> consumption....or jack the price way up. >>>>> >>>>> They were looking only at streaming video trends, and didn't even >>>>> consider stuff like this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> From: "Jeremy" < <mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >>>>> jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com >>>>> Sent: 6/21/2017 1:03:09 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, this sucks for us. Even worse, many of these games come out >>>>> with dual licenses so that you can play on Windows 10 or XB1 for the same >>>>> purchase. I bought a couple games and checked it out. It was amazing to >>>>> be able to just continue my Halo Wars right where I left off on my laptop, >>>>> but it was double the download size. This makes Forza potentially 200GB, >>>>> without DLC. When you are providing customers 300-500GB per month without >>>>> overages it makes heavy Xbox customers very quickly switch providers. I'm >>>>> not sure if that is a blessing or a curse. For now, it has not been a >>>>> gigantic churn issue for us, but the future of 4K content will likely hit >>>>> us all pretty hard. >>>>> My main issue with this is that purchasing a disc is not an option. I >>>>> initially bought discs, only to find that even after ripping them to the >>>>> hard drive, I have to walk down to the network closet to insert the disc. >>>>> Digitally purchased games can just be loaded from a menu, like all of the >>>>> hacked consoles. There is no option to 'upgrade' to a digital license if >>>>> you have purchased a disc. Also, if you own multiple Xbox One consoles >>>>> (say at home and at work), you can play any of your games on either >>>>> console, at any time, just not simultaneously. Discs are now useless to >>>>> me. The only way to get this digital license is to download it from the >>>>> Internet (or hack the console...not yet an option). This has been a big >>>>> bummer to heavy Xbox users when they get hit with massive overages, and >>>>> they usually switch to Comcast. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:19 PM, Eric Kuhnke < <mailto: >>>>> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This will be the new normal with the next generation Xbox, when many >>>>> customers start bringing them home... >>>>> <https://m.hardocp.com/news/2017/06/18/forza_motorsport_7_ >>>>> will_be_100gb_download> https://m.hardocp.com/news/ >>>>> 2017/06/18/forza_motorsport_7_will_be_100gb_download >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- Simon Westlake >>>>> Email: <mailto:simon@sonar.software> simon@sonar.software >>>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA >>>>> --------------------------- >>>>> Sonar Software Inc >>>>> The future of ISP billing and OSS >>>>> <https://sonar.software> https://sonar.software >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > >
