you should protest this. we can get the whole afmug group together and go shut shit down. I want a sign that says "this is my sign, there are many like her, but this one is mine"
cool chants like "what the heck, get rid of ilec" our slogan can be make ROW great again, we can have hats On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > It's not a tool, it's a barrier. You're still considered as less than and > ignored compared to the ILEC who will continue to get those federal tax > dollars while providing only what they legally have to. > > There is no good reason to support that business model. > > On Sep 28, 2017 9:17 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > >> It's a tool that gets you what you need. It's a fairly inexpensive tool. >> Use the tool that has been placed at your doorstep until regulatory >> certainty comes. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:14:28 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >> >> The whole idea of a CLEC needs to die, and only serves to continue to >> divide the providers into classes. >> >> On Sep 28, 2017 9:04 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >>> But if you have a CLEC you *CAN* place it there. If I don't have a CLEC >>> I *MAY* place it there... if whomever owns that easement or property allows >>> me to. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:03:01 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>> >>> If you do not have an easement, you do not have the right to keep your >>> cable there. Most easements I get are free. >>> >>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:02 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>> >>> Sure, easements are insurance, but not always cheap. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:54:56 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>> >>> CLEC is no insurance. >>> ROW-Easement is insurance. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:50 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>> >>> A couple thousand dollars for an attorney to make you a CLEC is pretty >>> cheap insurance when doling out fiber. >>> >>> The major impediment to more providers and more expansion of existing >>> providers is that the bits moved typically aren't significantly different. >>> As long as most things generally work, people aren't going to leave. If >>> Netflix buffers constantly, your marketing becomes a lot easier, "Our >>> Netflix actually works." >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:46:43 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>> >>> We did at our fiber company. >>> >>> I don't remember the exact percentage, but I do remember it being above >>> 60% of people only have access to a single provider. >>> >>> If you remove the ROW access for BIAS providers, lower "broadband" to >>> 10M, and allow providers to throttle other content, the odds are so >>> overwhelmingly stacked against new regional ISPs, existing providers who >>> just haven't expanded yet, and the general population of this country... >>> And solely provides more welfare to expand the existing cable and Telco >>> monopolies. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>> You're wrong. :-p >>> >>> Did anyone actually utilize that ROW access under NN and not something >>> else like being a CLEC? Spend a couple thousand bucks and you're a CLEC, if >>> you need to be in your jurisdiction for ROW access. Around here you can >>> just apply and get the ROW access you desire. >>> >>> They weren't directly throttled, but yes, ran through congested peering >>> and transit. So what if they do? Business choice. That gives you or me the >>> opportunity to come through with Netflix that doesn't suck and steal the >>> customer. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:33:20 AM >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>> >>> If I'm wrong, say so, but NN seems to be the only thing keep providers >>> from throttling down third party eyeball content to prioritize their own. >>> >>> Also, that ROW access many of us enjoyed as BIAS providers was tied to >>> that as well. >>> >>> My memory is fuzzy though. >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2017 7:23 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>>> The only way forward is to repeal Net Neutrality. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:30:44 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>> >>>> There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not. >>>> >>>> Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked. >>>> >>>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net >>>>> -neutrality-isp >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the FCCs >>>>> job is >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>
