If you have a government as the main customer willing to pay dearly for your
product, is that government subsidized?
Rockwell built the lunar lander I think.
Rocketdyne started out with hobbyists until the government recognized they knew
something about rocket engines.
All the defense contractors during WWII grew with new products where the
government were the only customers.
So, are all of these subsidized?
If so, then yes Long Lines was government subsidized.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
I guess I thought Long Lines was a DOD project.....but I might have invented
that idea.
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From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/28/2017 11:59:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
out of curiousity, did AT&T build out long lines on their own dime, or what
that government subsidized?
On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
AT&T Funding Model:
<1> Lobby
<2> "muh copper"
<3> get funds to maintain copper from taxpayers and your competition
<4> deploy fiber and more cell sites instead
<5> find ways to overlay on existing provider
<6> see step 1
On Sep 28, 2017 10:45 AM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
you should protest this. we can get the whole afmug group together and go
shut shit down. I want a sign that says "this is my sign, there are many like
her, but this one is mine"
cool chants like "what the heck, get rid of ilec" our slogan can be make
ROW great again, we can have hats
On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:
It's not a tool, it's a barrier. You're still considered as less than
and ignored compared to the ILEC who will continue to get those federal tax
dollars while providing only what they legally have to.
There is no good reason to support that business model.
On Sep 28, 2017 9:17 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
It's a tool that gets you what you need. It's a fairly inexpensive
tool. Use the tool that has been placed at your doorstep until regulatory
certainty comes.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:14:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
The whole idea of a CLEC needs to die, and only serves to continue to
divide the providers into classes.
On Sep 28, 2017 9:04 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
But if you have a CLEC you *CAN* place it there. If I don't have a
CLEC I *MAY* place it there... if whomever owns that easement or property
allows me to.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:03:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
If you do not have an easement, you do not have the right to keep
your cable there. Most easements I get are free.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
Sure, easements are insurance, but not always cheap.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:54:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
CLEC is no insurance.
ROW-Easement is insurance.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
A couple thousand dollars for an attorney to make you a CLEC is
pretty cheap insurance when doling out fiber.
The major impediment to more providers and more expansion of
existing providers is that the bits moved typically aren't significantly
different. As long as most things generally work, people aren't going to leave.
If Netflix buffers constantly, your marketing becomes a lot easier, "Our
Netflix actually works."
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:46:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
We did at our fiber company.
I don't remember the exact percentage, but I do remember it being
above 60% of people only have access to a single provider.
If you remove the ROW access for BIAS providers, lower "broadband"
to 10M, and allow providers to throttle other content, the odds are so
overwhelmingly stacked against new regional ISPs, existing providers who just
haven't expanded yet, and the general population of this country... And solely
provides more welfare to expand the existing cable and Telco monopolies.
On Sep 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
You're wrong. :-p
Did anyone actually utilize that ROW access under NN and not
something else like being a CLEC? Spend a couple thousand bucks and you're a
CLEC, if you need to be in your jurisdiction for ROW access. Around here you
can just apply and get the ROW access you desire.
They weren't directly throttled, but yes, ran through congested
peering and transit. So what if they do? Business choice. That gives you or me
the opportunity to come through with Netflix that doesn't suck and steal the
customer.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:33:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
If I'm wrong, say so, but NN seems to be the only thing keep
providers from throttling down third party eyeball content to prioritize their
own.
Also, that ROW access many of us enjoyed as BIAS providers was
tied to that as well.
My memory is fuzzy though.
On Sep 28, 2017 7:23 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
The only way forward is to repeal Net Neutrality.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:30:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are
not.
Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked.
On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones"
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net-neutrality-isp
I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what
the FCCs job is
