I can't find anything saying that directly, but it does talk about how critical it was to national defense... Big bunkers with huge generators and a federal backed monopoly.
On Sep 28, 2017 11:01 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > I guess I thought Long Lines was a DOD project.....but I might have > invented that idea. > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: 9/28/2017 11:59:35 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > out of curiousity, did AT&T build out long lines on their own dime, or > what that government subsidized? > > On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: > >> AT&T Funding Model: >> <1> Lobby >> <2> "muh copper" >> <3> get funds to maintain copper from taxpayers and your competition >> <4> deploy fiber and more cell sites instead >> <5> find ways to overlay on existing provider >> <6> see step 1 >> >> On Sep 28, 2017 10:45 AM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> you should protest this. we can get the whole afmug group together and >>> go shut shit down. I want a sign that says "this is my sign, there are many >>> like her, but this one is mine" >>> >>> cool chants like "what the heck, get rid of ilec" our slogan can be make >>> ROW great again, we can have hats >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It's not a tool, it's a barrier. You're still considered as less than >>>> and ignored compared to the ILEC who will continue to get those federal tax >>>> dollars while providing only what they legally have to. >>>> >>>> There is no good reason to support that business model. >>>> >>>> On Sep 28, 2017 9:17 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's a tool that gets you what you need. It's a fairly inexpensive >>>>> tool. Use the tool that has been placed at your doorstep until regulatory >>>>> certainty comes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:14:28 AM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>> >>>>> The whole idea of a CLEC needs to die, and only serves to continue to >>>>> divide the providers into classes. >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 28, 2017 9:04 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> But if you have a CLEC you *CAN* place it there. If I don't have a >>>>>> CLEC I *MAY* place it there... if whomever owns that easement or property >>>>>> allows me to. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:03:01 AM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>>> >>>>>> If you do not have an easement, you do not have the right to keep >>>>>> your cable there. Most easements I get are free. >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:02 AM >>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sure, easements are insurance, but not always cheap. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:54:56 AM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>>> >>>>>> CLEC is no insurance. >>>>>> ROW-Easement is insurance. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:50 AM >>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>>> >>>>>> A couple thousand dollars for an attorney to make you a CLEC is >>>>>> pretty cheap insurance when doling out fiber. >>>>>> >>>>>> The major impediment to more providers and more expansion of existing >>>>>> providers is that the bits moved typically aren't significantly >>>>>> different. >>>>>> As long as most things generally work, people aren't going to leave. If >>>>>> Netflix buffers constantly, your marketing becomes a lot easier, "Our >>>>>> Netflix actually works." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:46:43 AM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>>> >>>>>> We did at our fiber company. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't remember the exact percentage, but I do remember it being >>>>>> above 60% of people only have access to a single provider. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you remove the ROW access for BIAS providers, lower "broadband" to >>>>>> 10M, and allow providers to throttle other content, the odds are so >>>>>> overwhelmingly stacked against new regional ISPs, existing providers who >>>>>> just haven't expanded yet, and the general population of this country... >>>>>> And solely provides more welfare to expand the existing cable and Telco >>>>>> monopolies. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> You're wrong. :-p >>>>>> >>>>>> Did anyone actually utilize that ROW access under NN and not >>>>>> something else like being a CLEC? Spend a couple thousand bucks and >>>>>> you're >>>>>> a CLEC, if you need to be in your jurisdiction for ROW access. Around >>>>>> here >>>>>> you can just apply and get the ROW access you desire. >>>>>> >>>>>> They weren't directly throttled, but yes, ran through congested >>>>>> peering and transit. So what if they do? Business choice. That gives you >>>>>> or >>>>>> me the opportunity to come through with Netflix that doesn't suck and >>>>>> steal >>>>>> the customer. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:33:20 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>>> >>>>>> If I'm wrong, say so, but NN seems to be the only thing keep >>>>>> providers from throttling down third party eyeball content to prioritize >>>>>> their own. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, that ROW access many of us enjoyed as BIAS providers was tied >>>>>> to that as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> My memory is fuzzy though. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 28, 2017 7:23 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The only way forward is to repeal Net Neutrality. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:30:44 PM >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net >>>>>>>> -neutrality-isp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the >>>>>>>> FCCs job is >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >