out of curiousity, did AT&T build out long lines on their own dime, or what that government subsidized?
On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > AT&T Funding Model: > <1> Lobby > <2> "muh copper" > <3> get funds to maintain copper from taxpayers and your competition > <4> deploy fiber and more cell sites instead > <5> find ways to overlay on existing provider > <6> see step 1 > > On Sep 28, 2017 10:45 AM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> you should protest this. we can get the whole afmug group together and go >> shut shit down. I want a sign that says "this is my sign, there are many >> like her, but this one is mine" >> >> cool chants like "what the heck, get rid of ilec" our slogan can be make >> ROW great again, we can have hats >> >> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >>> It's not a tool, it's a barrier. You're still considered as less than >>> and ignored compared to the ILEC who will continue to get those federal tax >>> dollars while providing only what they legally have to. >>> >>> There is no good reason to support that business model. >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2017 9:17 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>>> It's a tool that gets you what you need. It's a fairly inexpensive >>>> tool. Use the tool that has been placed at your doorstep until regulatory >>>> certainty comes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:14:28 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>> >>>> The whole idea of a CLEC needs to die, and only serves to continue to >>>> divide the providers into classes. >>>> >>>> On Sep 28, 2017 9:04 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> But if you have a CLEC you *CAN* place it there. If I don't have a >>>>> CLEC I *MAY* place it there... if whomever owns that easement or property >>>>> allows me to. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:03:01 AM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>> >>>>> If you do not have an easement, you do not have the right to keep your >>>>> cable there. Most easements I get are free. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:02 AM >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>> >>>>> Sure, easements are insurance, but not always cheap. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:54:56 AM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>> >>>>> CLEC is no insurance. >>>>> ROW-Easement is insurance. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:50 AM >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>> >>>>> A couple thousand dollars for an attorney to make you a CLEC is pretty >>>>> cheap insurance when doling out fiber. >>>>> >>>>> The major impediment to more providers and more expansion of existing >>>>> providers is that the bits moved typically aren't significantly different. >>>>> As long as most things generally work, people aren't going to leave. If >>>>> Netflix buffers constantly, your marketing becomes a lot easier, "Our >>>>> Netflix actually works." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:46:43 AM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>> >>>>> We did at our fiber company. >>>>> >>>>> I don't remember the exact percentage, but I do remember it being >>>>> above 60% of people only have access to a single provider. >>>>> >>>>> If you remove the ROW access for BIAS providers, lower "broadband" to >>>>> 10M, and allow providers to throttle other content, the odds are so >>>>> overwhelmingly stacked against new regional ISPs, existing providers who >>>>> just haven't expanded yet, and the general population of this country... >>>>> And solely provides more welfare to expand the existing cable and Telco >>>>> monopolies. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You're wrong. :-p >>>>> >>>>> Did anyone actually utilize that ROW access under NN and not something >>>>> else like being a CLEC? Spend a couple thousand bucks and you're a CLEC, >>>>> if >>>>> you need to be in your jurisdiction for ROW access. Around here you can >>>>> just apply and get the ROW access you desire. >>>>> >>>>> They weren't directly throttled, but yes, ran through congested >>>>> peering and transit. So what if they do? Business choice. That gives you >>>>> or >>>>> me the opportunity to come through with Netflix that doesn't suck and >>>>> steal >>>>> the customer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:33:20 AM >>>>> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>> >>>>> If I'm wrong, say so, but NN seems to be the only thing keep providers >>>>> from throttling down third party eyeball content to prioritize their own. >>>>> >>>>> Also, that ROW access many of us enjoyed as BIAS providers was tied to >>>>> that as well. >>>>> >>>>> My memory is fuzzy though. >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 28, 2017 7:23 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The only way forward is to repeal Net Neutrality. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:30:44 PM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>>> >>>>>> There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net >>>>>>> -neutrality-isp >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the >>>>>>> FCCs job is >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>
