AT&T Funding Model: <1> Lobby <2> "muh copper" <3> get funds to maintain copper from taxpayers and your competition <4> deploy fiber and more cell sites instead <5> find ways to overlay on existing provider <6> see step 1
On Sep 28, 2017 10:45 AM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > you should protest this. we can get the whole afmug group together and go > shut shit down. I want a sign that says "this is my sign, there are many > like her, but this one is mine" > > cool chants like "what the heck, get rid of ilec" our slogan can be make > ROW great again, we can have hats > > On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: > >> It's not a tool, it's a barrier. You're still considered as less than and >> ignored compared to the ILEC who will continue to get those federal tax >> dollars while providing only what they legally have to. >> >> There is no good reason to support that business model. >> >> On Sep 28, 2017 9:17 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >>> It's a tool that gets you what you need. It's a fairly inexpensive tool. >>> Use the tool that has been placed at your doorstep until regulatory >>> certainty comes. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:14:28 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>> >>> The whole idea of a CLEC needs to die, and only serves to continue to >>> divide the providers into classes. >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2017 9:04 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>>> But if you have a CLEC you *CAN* place it there. If I don't have a CLEC >>>> I *MAY* place it there... if whomever owns that easement or property allows >>>> me to. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:03:01 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>> >>>> If you do not have an easement, you do not have the right to keep your >>>> cable there. Most easements I get are free. >>>> >>>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:02 AM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>> >>>> Sure, easements are insurance, but not always cheap. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:54:56 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>> >>>> CLEC is no insurance. >>>> ROW-Easement is insurance. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:50 AM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>> >>>> A couple thousand dollars for an attorney to make you a CLEC is pretty >>>> cheap insurance when doling out fiber. >>>> >>>> The major impediment to more providers and more expansion of existing >>>> providers is that the bits moved typically aren't significantly different. >>>> As long as most things generally work, people aren't going to leave. If >>>> Netflix buffers constantly, your marketing becomes a lot easier, "Our >>>> Netflix actually works." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:46:43 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>> >>>> We did at our fiber company. >>>> >>>> I don't remember the exact percentage, but I do remember it being above >>>> 60% of people only have access to a single provider. >>>> >>>> If you remove the ROW access for BIAS providers, lower "broadband" to >>>> 10M, and allow providers to throttle other content, the odds are so >>>> overwhelmingly stacked against new regional ISPs, existing providers who >>>> just haven't expanded yet, and the general population of this country... >>>> And solely provides more welfare to expand the existing cable and Telco >>>> monopolies. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> You're wrong. :-p >>>> >>>> Did anyone actually utilize that ROW access under NN and not something >>>> else like being a CLEC? Spend a couple thousand bucks and you're a CLEC, if >>>> you need to be in your jurisdiction for ROW access. Around here you can >>>> just apply and get the ROW access you desire. >>>> >>>> They weren't directly throttled, but yes, ran through congested peering >>>> and transit. So what if they do? Business choice. That gives you or me the >>>> opportunity to come through with Netflix that doesn't suck and steal the >>>> customer. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:33:20 AM >>>> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>> >>>> If I'm wrong, say so, but NN seems to be the only thing keep providers >>>> from throttling down third party eyeball content to prioritize their own. >>>> >>>> Also, that ROW access many of us enjoyed as BIAS providers was tied to >>>> that as well. >>>> >>>> My memory is fuzzy though. >>>> >>>> On Sep 28, 2017 7:23 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The only way forward is to repeal Net Neutrality. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:30:44 PM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>> >>>>> There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not. >>>>> >>>>> Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked. >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net >>>>>> -neutrality-isp >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the FCCs >>>>>> job is >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >
