Oh damn... http://fortune.com/2015/08/18/att-nsa/
On Sep 28, 2017 11:13 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > I can't find anything saying that directly, but it does talk about how > critical it was to national defense... Big bunkers with huge generators and > a federal backed monopoly. > > On Sep 28, 2017 11:01 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I guess I thought Long Lines was a DOD project.....but I might have >> invented that idea. >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Sent: 9/28/2017 11:59:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >> >> out of curiousity, did AT&T build out long lines on their own dime, or >> what that government subsidized? >> >> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >>> AT&T Funding Model: >>> <1> Lobby >>> <2> "muh copper" >>> <3> get funds to maintain copper from taxpayers and your competition >>> <4> deploy fiber and more cell sites instead >>> <5> find ways to overlay on existing provider >>> <6> see step 1 >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2017 10:45 AM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> you should protest this. we can get the whole afmug group together and >>>> go shut shit down. I want a sign that says "this is my sign, there are many >>>> like her, but this one is mine" >>>> >>>> cool chants like "what the heck, get rid of ilec" our slogan can be >>>> make ROW great again, we can have hats >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's not a tool, it's a barrier. You're still considered as less than >>>>> and ignored compared to the ILEC who will continue to get those federal >>>>> tax >>>>> dollars while providing only what they legally have to. >>>>> >>>>> There is no good reason to support that business model. >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 28, 2017 9:17 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's a tool that gets you what you need. It's a fairly inexpensive >>>>>> tool. Use the tool that has been placed at your doorstep until regulatory >>>>>> certainty comes. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:14:28 AM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>>> >>>>>> The whole idea of a CLEC needs to die, and only serves to continue to >>>>>> divide the providers into classes. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 28, 2017 9:04 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> But if you have a CLEC you *CAN* place it there. If I don't have a >>>>>>> CLEC I *MAY* place it there... if whomever owns that easement or >>>>>>> property >>>>>>> allows me to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:03:01 AM >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you do not have an easement, you do not have the right to keep >>>>>>> your cable there. Most easements I get are free. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:02 AM >>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sure, easements are insurance, but not always cheap. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:54:56 AM >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CLEC is no insurance. >>>>>>> ROW-Easement is insurance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:50 AM >>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A couple thousand dollars for an attorney to make you a CLEC is >>>>>>> pretty cheap insurance when doling out fiber. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The major impediment to more providers and more expansion of >>>>>>> existing providers is that the bits moved typically aren't significantly >>>>>>> different. As long as most things generally work, people aren't going to >>>>>>> leave. If Netflix buffers constantly, your marketing becomes a lot >>>>>>> easier, >>>>>>> "Our Netflix actually works." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:46:43 AM >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We did at our fiber company. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't remember the exact percentage, but I do remember it being >>>>>>> above 60% of people only have access to a single provider. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you remove the ROW access for BIAS providers, lower "broadband" >>>>>>> to 10M, and allow providers to throttle other content, the odds are so >>>>>>> overwhelmingly stacked against new regional ISPs, existing providers who >>>>>>> just haven't expanded yet, and the general population of this country... >>>>>>> And solely provides more welfare to expand the existing cable and Telco >>>>>>> monopolies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're wrong. :-p >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did anyone actually utilize that ROW access under NN and not >>>>>>> something else like being a CLEC? Spend a couple thousand bucks and >>>>>>> you're >>>>>>> a CLEC, if you need to be in your jurisdiction for ROW access. Around >>>>>>> here >>>>>>> you can just apply and get the ROW access you desire. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They weren't directly throttled, but yes, ran through congested >>>>>>> peering and transit. So what if they do? Business choice. That gives >>>>>>> you or >>>>>>> me the opportunity to come through with Netflix that doesn't suck and >>>>>>> steal >>>>>>> the customer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:33:20 AM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I'm wrong, say so, but NN seems to be the only thing keep >>>>>>> providers from throttling down third party eyeball content to prioritize >>>>>>> their own. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, that ROW access many of us enjoyed as BIAS providers was tied >>>>>>> to that as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My memory is fuzzy though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2017 7:23 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The only way forward is to repeal Net Neutrality. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:30:44 PM >>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are >>>>>>>> not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net >>>>>>>>> -neutrality-isp >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the >>>>>>>>> FCCs job is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>
