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> On Oct 17, 2017, at 13:32, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > > Good luck with that. Any company could close up shop today, and if they are > bankrupt, they are bankrupt. > > On Oct 17, 2017 12:27 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote: > It also means at any point they can just close up shop leaving my data and my > customer information high and dry with no recourse. > >> On Oct 17, 2017, at 13:24, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >> >> They provide enough value to avoid locking you in a contract that would >> otherwise retain your business when they don't continuously earn it. >> >> Others are NOT the same. >> >>> On Oct 17, 2017 12:22 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >>> wrote: >> >>> No contract? That's frankly beyond scary. >>> >>>> On Oct 17, 2017, at 13:06, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sonar is strictly per user with no contract, so if you haven't migrated >>>> any users in yet then you pay the minimum.....which I think is $100/month. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: 10/17/2017 9:16:46 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar >>>> >>>>> Fail. >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 17, 2017, at 08:54, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Many of them start charging you regardless if you are on their system >>>>>> yet. Once you sign the contract, you start paying. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 6:00 PM Nathan Anderson <nath...@fsr.com> wrote: >>>>>>> I can understand this if the product in question is purchased/licensed >>>>>>> for a one-time upfront fee. However, if you have a SaaS model with >>>>>>> recurring revenues, it seems like it would be in your best interest to >>>>>>> help the customer move existing data over to your product cost-free, >>>>>>> and thus get them to be a paying customer ASAP. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Nathan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Lewis Bergman >>>>>>> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 3:36 PM >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yea, this seems to be a common practice in the software industry. What >>>>>>> they all should really say is that they help you convert. I am going >>>>>>> through this with ECi at the moment. We paid several thousand for them >>>>>>> to convert our database. What it really was was a half hearted gesture >>>>>>> at putting the DB into an excel spreadsheet that they spent zero time >>>>>>> checking for sanity. They expect us to do all that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems that most software companies expect their customers to have a >>>>>>> whole team of people doing what seems to be the software companies job. >>>>>>> Not saying Sonar fits the description, just that that seems to be the >>>>>>> rule not the exception. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:24 PM Sterling Jacobson >>>>>>>> <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Taking forever to migrate from Platypus to Sonar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was told conversion was free, but they didn't tell me I had to do >>>>>>>> all my own conversion from Plat to Sonar, so in my mind that's not >>>>>>>> free. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I paid Spender Lambert to move some initial data to their format, but >>>>>>>> I've been on a hold with Sonar since last month. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Super excited to get going with a 'modern' billing system, but so far >>>>>>>> the process has been a total snoozer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >
