On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You'll be convinced in time, for instance if an OpenCogPrime instance starts > refuting your arguments on this mailing list!
That is not very likely to occur if the 'magic' of agi is absolutely dependent on embodiment, and the only embodiment that your program is going to have is virtual. A processor only interacts with the one kind of data, a computer program does not have some other special kind of transcendent processing that is able to interact with the real or virtually simulated world. How could the processing of data that comes from a fictional database of relations, or even the data that comes from real world sensors, provide some kind of 'magic' that would suddenly make higher general intelligence work when it has not worked very well before? If you can't get an agi program to work based on carefully constructed IO data environment, why do you think you could get it to work with an advanced game-like data environment? This fantasy flies in the face of most scientific development which sees some progression from simplistic to more sophisticated. Game environments are simplified to make the game as interesting to the user as it can be given the demands of efficiency, they are not designed specifically to advance agi. I have no doubt that virtual embodiment and sensors will make agi much more interesting and powerful once some poorly understood problems of artificial intelligence are solved. And I feel that the IO data environment has to have certain features and complexities (in the general sense) in order to facilitate learning and these can be derived from experience with virtual worlds, but the idea that embodiment (with a real or virtual world) is going to be the independent key to unlocking less well understood problems is not a well reasoned theory. There is one strong reason for embodiment and that is that a data relation may sometimes be simple in one representation of the world (IO media) than another. But this desirable feature can be easily encoded in a single data environment (like a text based IO data environment.) Jim Bromer ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=108809214-a0d121 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
