I said at the outset I wouldn't bore the Group and get dragged into 
this.  I did anyway.

My apologies to the Group.

I'm giving you the last word Skip.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> "Your lack of real analysis and single-mindedness in just making
> juvenile-like fun of people make you a bore."
> 
> Well at least you're beginning to more directly express yourself; 
now
> if I can just get you to take that leap and state the `word' that 
so
> offended you.  I'm surprised how slow you are to pickup on our 
basic
> dilemma, we communicate in different languages, presume life to 
have
> different meaning and perceive wholly different worlds; were one 
of us
> female I would think she Venusian. 
> 
> What ever the case, I find writing to someone as dense as you an
> interesting experience and will do so till you identify that which 
so
> riled you; you silly ass.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Skip, you didn't even consider what I said to Corey.  Your lack 
of 
> > consideration of what people say and avoidence of any analysis 
makes 
> > conversing with you nearly impossible.
> > 
> > Here is an example:  Your last two posts assert that I was 
> > being "holier than thou" with Corey.  If I had told him that I 
don't 
> > ever curse so he shouldn't either, that would be "holier than 
thou." 
> > Of course I said something different.
> > 
> > I told Corey the standard (of not cursing) is a good thing. I 
didn't 
> > say I was a good thing. I clearly conceded that his friends at 
> > school, ME (that's right ME), and even he won't always meet that 
> > standard.  That doesn't mean the standard is wrong and doesn't 
mean 
> > that he shouldn't try to meet the standard just because I don't 
or 
> > his friends don't.  That isn't "holier than thou."
> > 
> > Do you see how there is no connection between what I wrote and 
what 
> > you said I wrote?  No, you don't, do you. You don't know how to 
> > analyze.  You just make stuff up (like you made up that stuff 
about 
> > me writing John's letter).
> > 
> > I told Corey anectdotally about my experience with a Judge to 
> > enforce that words are meaningful in life, and curse words can 
have 
> > consequences. I thought he should know that there are real life 
> > reasons not to take this lightly. How could you not support that 
> > message to a 12 year old?  Are there no kids in your life that 
you 
> > care about?  Nieces? Nephews? Aquaintences? Anyone?
> > 
> > I can't believe you would take this moment, with Corey reading, 
to 
> > take jabs at me.  How irresponsible.  I'm very certain what I 
was 
> > relating to Corey is good for him to know.  I bet his parents 
agree 
> > and the rest of the Board too, even my usual detractors.
> > 
> > Your lack of real analysis and single-mindedness in just making 
> > juvenile-like fun of people make you a bore.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > "…you will tell Corey that everything I put in my post to him 
is 
> > good
> > > information for him to have and use. Won't you?"
> > > 
> > > Tom you're a dinosaur.  You're trapped in the myth that we can 
> > somehow
> > > be what we say, rather than what we do and live.  
> > > 
> > > Your words present an excellent example of hypocrisy, 
insincerity 
> > by
> > > virtue of pretending to have qualities or beliefs that you do 
not
> > > have.  You are not alone; it seems every generation faces this
> > > dichotomy, wishing to shield the young from the lessons 
learned 
> > only
> > > through living by presenting some sort of idealized blue print 
of 
> > how
> > > life ought be.  
> > > 
> > > I don't condemn the intent merely the deceit.  
> > > 
> > > However, in your case you haven't the courage to even specify 
what 
> > you
> > > choose to denounce, Corey alone must judge that.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Skip, so the message doesn't get lost, you will tell Corey 
that 
> > > > everything I put in my post to him is good information for 
him 
> > to 
> > > > have and use. Won't you?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > "I once [said] a curse word to a lawyer.  In hindsight, 
that 
> > curse
> > > > > word accomplished nothing.  All it did was make me look 
bad"
> > > > > 
> > > > > So what did Tommy learn, not to avoid curse words but to 
> > condemn
> > > > > others for using language he finds offensive, when it so 
suits 
> > > > him. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > What does Tommy find offensive?  Any thing, word or event 
that 
> > he
> > > > > can't control or dominate; our Tommy's holier than thou 
> > position is
> > > > > very simple, do as I say not as I do.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sadly he learned this not in court but when he was much 
> > younger, 
> > > > say
> > > > > about 11.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" 
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Master Corey,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm certain you hear some bad language at school. I was 
your 
> > > > age, 
> > > > > > and I have kids your age now. As you go through life you 
are 
> > > > going 
> > > > > > to hear some very rotten language in many places. It's 
> > > > unavoidable. 
> > > > > > I can't keep my own kids away from it as hard as I try. 
I 
> > hope 
> > > > you 
> > > > > > know that sometimes the standards in life that you want 
to 
> > live 
> > > > by 
> > > > > > aren't being observed by the people around you, like at 
> > school. 
> > > > > > Sometimes your own behavior won't meet the standards you 
set 
> > for 
> > > > > > yourself.  That doesn't mean you should stop trying to 
meet 
> > > > those 
> > > > > > standards. You shold try even harder.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I once got into some trouble with a Judge for saying a 
curse 
> > > > word to 
> > > > > > a lawyer.  You know what?  I regret it.  In hindsight, 
that 
> > > > curse 
> > > > > > word accomplished nothing.  It certainly didn't make 
that 
> > lawyer 
> > > > > > agree with me on what we were arguing about. In fact it 
> > pushed 
> > > > us 
> > > > > > further apart. All it did was make me look bad.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I know you are going to curse sometime in your life.  I 
> > probably 
> > > > > > will again too.  Remember though that this Board is a 
public 
> > > > place.  
> > > > > > You will find that you give a much better account of 
> > yourself if 
> > > > you 
> > > > > > don't curse in public places.  People will think more of 
you 
> > if 
> > > > you 
> > > > > > avoid those words.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Now my admonishment to Skip was with you in mind, 
because as 
> > a 
> > > > > > parent I do think that adults have to show someone who 
is 12 
> > the 
> > > > > > appropriate standards by example. I won't say something 
> > > > > > condescending to you like "You'll understand when you 
get 
> > > > older."  
> > > > > > I've listed to you on the radio and know you are an 
> > > > exceptionally 
> > > > > > bright young man, so I know you do understand already.  
I 
> > bet if 
> > > > you 
> > > > > > showed this to your parents they would agree with me.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm also willing to bet that you are going to be at that 
> > Tillie-
> > > > Town 
> > > > > > festival this weekend with your folks.  Hope you have a 
> > great 
> > > > time 
> > > > > > there, friend.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Corey Maccaro 
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > No. Never. Our conversations at school make that 
letter 
> > look 
> > > > like 
> > > > > > a church.
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > SKIP WROTE:
> > > > > > > Re: "To what do you refer, `silly', `ass' or perhaps 
> > `damn'?"
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Corey thanks for the clarification.  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > To what do you think Tom was referring and do you 
recall 
> > > > anyone of
> > > > > > > your age getting bent out of shape over this language?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Corey Maccaro 
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > A: I'm 12
> > > > > > > > B:I dont care if you curse. I don't care if I 
curse . 
> > Curse 
> > > > away.
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Corey Maccaro
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > 
> > 
>                                                                    
> > > > > > >                                        
> > > > > > > > Patriarch of Humanity
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Corey Maccaro
> > > > > > 
> > > > 
> > 
>                                                                    
> > > > > >                                         
> > > > > > > Patriarch of Humanity
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > __________________________________________________
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