ok - so how would you go about deporting them over time.
Specifically. What will it cost? What do you mean by attrition - as
they die they don't get replaced??? What does that mean?
Your statement is exactly the kind of statement that says nothing and
means nothing, which is why over 80% of American's don't believe
deporting 12+ million people is realistic. Deporting them would
require many billions of dollars in enforcement personnell and many
years. That's why we can't - the fact that you don't like the answer
doesn't mean it hasn't been answered by "soft-liners" if that's what
you choose to call me. I'd rather spend that money on ensuring we
stop the flow over the border (I'm wondering where my believe in
aggressive border security falls on your soft-liner scale) - and find
a way to assimilate those who are already here.
I'm a realist. Please join me and the over 80% of America in the
state of reality.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You can't deport them in a day. You can deport them through
> attrition over time. There's never been a reason why we can't
> offered by the "soft liners" (since you find such labels helpful).
>
> I'm not concerned that there is no opportunity for them in Mexico.
> I'm concerned about perserving opportunity for poor Blacks in
> America.
>
> There are millions of people who applied to come to America
legally,
> and are patiently awaiting their turn. Have you no concern for the
> poor of others countries who are following the rules?
>
> I have no sympathy for the line skippers.
>
> Remember too that the "opportunity" illegals crossing our southern
> border are interested in is not the free market; its the free
> lunch. They apply for public assitence in a higher rates than any
> other group. The freebies they get at hospitals alone is why I pay
> between $10,000 and $12,000 yearly for health insurance.
>
>
> It's a cultural thing.
>
>
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <asburycouple@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Securing our borders is aboslutely critical - we should do
> whatever
> > it takes. But Tom let's be serious about the 12+ million people
> who
> > are here. You gloss over it as so many do below by talking about
> the
> > 70k felons we could start with. That's a rounding error in terms
> of
> > trying to arrest and deport all of them back home. I have never
> > heard any real solution to addressing these folks from the hard-
> line
> > crew. They are here, like it or not. The reality is you simply
> > can't tell them to go home (there's nothing there for them) and
> there
> > won't ever be enouh resources to deport them. So, what's the
> > solution? Stop them from getting work? They're here already -
so
> > that leaves them with two choices.
> >
> > 1 - go home which isn't going to happen as they came here because
> > they couldn't feed their family where they were.
> > 2 - resort to real crime - robbery, drug trafficking, etc., as
> that
> > will become the only way to support themselves.
> >
> > Bottom line it is very easy for us all to sit here and say "they
> > broke the law coming here - we shouldn't enable them." And it is
> > easy because we have jobs, food, etc... But if it was you who
had
> > nothing and your family was hungry what would you be willing to
do
> to
> > provide for them? Perhaps jump over a porous border?
> >
> > Blame the Mexican government for failing to address the needs of
> > their citizens. Blame the US government for failing to protect
> the
> > borders. Don't blame the vast majority of illegals who are good
> > people who have nothing at all and no opportunity to change that
> for
> > themselves and their children in Mexico.
> >
> > And please don't rail on with that "send them home" garbage.
> > It's at least 12 million people! What's your plan to do that?
> And
> > what's the unintended impact of that plan?
> >
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
> > <justifiedright@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > The Draft Riots of the Civil War. America always finds
someone
> to
> > > >do
> > > > the jobs that no one else will.
> > >
> > > The "do the jobs that no one else will" is a myth that for some
> > > reason is easily accepted. It shouldn't be. There is no job in
> > > America where the workforce is more than 27% illegals (most are
> > much
> > > less than that). So in all jobs, Americans and legal aliens are
> > > doing the work at 3x the rate as illegals are, and in most
cases
> by
> > > a far greater percentage.
> > >
> > > There is no job in America that Americans won't do. The
problem
> > > Americans are having is that they have to compete for wages
> against
> > > illegals who are not trying to assimilate, rather make money to
> > send
> > > back home and return thereafter.
> > >
> > > >Tommy,
> > > > I am surprised that a conservative like you would not support
> > > <laizze
> > > > faire. Do you want wage controls?
> > >
> > > No, I want fair competition. How can an American Black laborer
> > > demand a wage that allows him to buy a home, get his kids an
> ipod
> > > and a bike, send his kids to college and have a nest egg for
> > > retirement when an illegal will work for cheap because he is
> living
> > > 30 in a house and sending every penny back to Mexico so his
> familiy
> > > can live well there and he can go back in 10 years and retire?
> He
> > > can't. It's unfair competition.
> > >
> > > Let Americans compete against those that wish to stay here.
> > >
> > > > I had a mexican doing work for me and now he owns his own
> company.
> > >
> > > Was he legal or illegal?
> > >
> > > > There have been studies looking at
> > > > the growth of the US economy over 150 years. The economy
> always
> > > >grew
> > > > faster after great waves of immigration.
> > >
> > >
> > > Interesting info, but useless to the current situation.
Nothing
> > > like we are experiencing right now has ever happened in
history,
> so
> > > history is no guide here.
> > >
> > > First of all, the extensive welfare state is much younger than
> 150
> > > years.
> > >
> > > No country has ever been asked to handle this many foreigners
at
> > one
> > > time, educate them, give them healthcare, welfare, etc.
> > >
> > > Consider some numbers. After America was formed, the two
> largest
> > > groups of immigrants from Europe are Germans, followed by
> > Italians.
> > > There are more illegals STANDING IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW than all
> the
> > > Germans and Italians that came here combined over the past 225
> > > years.
> > >
> > > We have more foriegn born people STANDING IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW
> than
> > > all the immigrants who came here combined in the 350 years from
> > 1607
> > > to 1965.
> > >
> > > Some assert the number of illegals crossing the border is as
> high
> > as
> > > 2 million each year. Gov. Bill Richardson of Arizona says his
> > state
> > > sees 4500 illegals cross the border EVERY DAY.
> > >
> > > No one knows if American can bear this weight.
> > >
> > > >All of these people cannot
> > > > simply be deported.
> > >
> > > Most can be. Lets start with the approximately 70,000 that
> arrive
> > > each year with felony records.
> > >
> > > >It is probably the
> > > > only thing on which I will ever agree with Dubya.
> > >
> > > President Bush's failure to secure our borders in a time of war
> is
> > a
> > > gross dereliction of his Constitution duties (not to mention a
> > > failure to ensure domestic tranquilty, as I would expect poor
> > Blacks
> > > in partuclar to rise up against this economic war being waged
> upon
> > > them).
> > >
> > > If failure to secure our boarders are grounds for impeachment,
> > don't
> > > expect me to stand in the way if the Democrats try.
> > >
> > > >How do they or
> > > > anyone rise up? Education.
> > >
> > > I'll enroll them in school when they land here legally.
> > >
> > >
> > > >The jews who emigrated here always knew the
> > > > answer.
> > >
> > >
> > > The answer was assimilation. I don't recall them demanding any
> > > street signs, applicaitions or 411 calls in yiddish.
> > >
> >
>
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