I'm not assuming a major decline, I'm assuming no growth. Its no secret the 
business' suffer in the winter months, if they didn't they would be open 7days 
a week instead of 4days

Just because you and I love the beach in the winter, doesn't mean everyone else 
will

I've watched this happen before in North Carolina, and its one of the reasons 
there are so many rentals in Pier Village (and surrounding buildings)

Not to mention I see it every winter with my neighbors on 5th Ave, since I end 
up shoveling their sidewalks/driveways (you're welcome guys and gals)

Now I'm not saying this would happen to EVERY condo purchased, but it would 
happen, and having an even number of rentals to condos would help combat that


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-----Original Message-----
From: "maubddny" <filecabinet...@aol.com>
Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:49:03 
To: <AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....

I don't think you could assume that "2nd Homes" would mean a major decline in 
winter business.  I originally bought my condo for "summer use", but find I use 
it year round and found I love the winter at the beach.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote:
>
> Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this 
> before
> 
> If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units 
> wouldn't be bought as "2nd Homes" for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it 
> is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due 
> to maintence and such.
> 
>  That would end up hurting our waterfront business' in the winter months. 
> Where as if you have a 60/40 mix of rental/condo, you're practically ensuring 
> year round residency, thus providing ample bodies in and out of the 
> waterfront stores/restaurants
> 
> Traffic to me isn't a concern, we live in a city, that means, noise, traffic, 
> a lot of people etc
> 
> And lastly, any condo/apt buildings that are built better come with a large 
> parking garage under it, or we'll have serious parking issues
> 
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Helen Pike <helenpike2...@...>
> Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:20:08 
> To: <AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
> 
> I think the word "support" is key:
> 
> Can the sewerage plant support the effluent from 3,000 units?
> 
> Can the streets support the one and/or two-car traffic from those who live in 
> the condos? 
> 
> 
> And, if they are all weekenders, how will that traffic affect the quality of 
> life for those who live in Asbury Park year-round?
> 
> Would Kingsley evolve into a Cross-Bronx Expressway-like divider, making a 
> new 
> distinction between east and west?
> 
> Helen Pike 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>________________________________
> From: oakdorf <oakd...@...>
> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 9:29:59 PM
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
> 
>   
> 
> 
> > 
> > I doubt, and have doubted for years, the ability of AP to support an 
> > additional 
> >3,000 condos. 
> >
> 
> Depends. Depends on where you price it, amenities etc. Need a better mix of 
> apartments, condos, hotels etc - and then your mix of retail.
> 
> A well thought mix from starter units on up and you build a community, a 
> destination a city - or the new "lifestyle" center. cookman ave is slowly 
> redeveloping itself - slowly but an evolving lifestyle center - without B&N, 
> PF 
> Changs, Jonny Rockets and the Gap.
> 
> Hopefully more office space comes to town, more day traffic - medical, high 
> tech, design etc.
> 
> Before they finish repaving Lake Ave into a super highway - would of been 
> nice 
> to see all of lake ave redesigned. sure you need parking, but making it 
> narrower 
> or adding a median or rethinking the curb lines with bump outs - or lakeside 
> dining would be real nice touch.
> 
> As for dan's Asbury Ave problem - Sunset's an exit as is heading north along 
> Ocean Ave into Allenhurst. The Ocean and Allenhurst pd are more then happy to 
> welcome anyone leaving AP.
> 
> Once springwood ave is cleaned up - that's short way out to 35 - as is 4th 
> ave.
> 
> Even AP ave is getting somewhat cleaner looking. Still needs a good scrubbing.
> 
> AP is one of only a few towns in NJ that are continuing to develop - with a 
> way 
> to go. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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