darrenyeats wrote: > I'm saying all models are wrong, some models are useful. And models > develop over time as evidence is gathered. > > Here's a thought experiment. If it was shown that people could > distinguish distortion of certain types at X db lower than the currently > accepted levels, when that distortion modulates a newly invented sound > pattern, then the world of science would certainly *not* be in uproar. > That's because the result *would break no fundamental physical > theories*. It might break the stubbornness of some people on this forum, > though I doubt it, but there would be otherwise "nothing to see here".
Thats OK with me thats a fairly resonable idea, except as i have come to understand it the models we have acomodate for any possible pattern or wave form ,but in princible . And it would be quite a leap a modern dac can surpase our own abilities with say 30dB or something similar ,actually orders of magnitude . We can disguss these things it have merits OK. But very much of what audiophiles seriusly suggest is agiainst "fundamental physical theories" ,there is simply no reasoanable mechanism to explain the effect of many things . The are on the other hand a lot off pshychological effects that can account for the perception they experience . So here occams razor rules . These things should be debunked there is no merit of further debate , you can find such fruitless debate going on for decades... *As others said . Listening test is a good way to account for the unknown ! * but they have to be reasonably controlled to be of any use . Sighted test as done by most hifi rags provides no real data just noise . properly done listening test have most likely unearthed a lots off issues previusly unknown . The transparancy of modern digital electronics is really only constested by audiophiles much in a similar way as for example climate change or evolution is only constended by a special subset of rigth wing american cristians . Its a special culture where all are of similar opinion , ideas from outside these special subcultures can seem strange to the one living rigth in the middle of it . -------------------------------------------------------------------- Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102330 _______________________________________________ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
