G'day All,
When teaching my kids to drive I faced a similar issue. My wife's Mazda 6 has all the safety features-ABS, ESC etc and a squillion airbags. However it also goes like the proverbial off a wet shovel, so although the kids would be "safe" if they did have a prang there was also the perception that they could get themselves into trouble much too quickly. Our solution was to buy a second hand 4 cylinder automatic Camry with all the same safety gear [the 4 cylinder version was harder to find and slightly more expensive than the 6cylinder version, but with less oomph], and before all you aged petrol heads out there roll your eyes too much I'd like to point out that it would still show a clean pair of heels to the old Mini Cooper S--in a straight line!]. We all survived the experience without too many tears-well, only my wife, but that's another story. One of the ironies of gliding seems to be that modern sleek gliders are not only faster in virtually every sense, they are also safer in that many of them are much less likely to spin, but unfortunately our novice pilot can't be guaranteed to always fly an aircraft that won't spin. So we need to teach them in aircraft that can be spun safely, but we also need to keep them keen and I must say that when I was learning 10 years ago, even then the IS28s gave the impression of being way too out-of-date in their performance and appearance. After going solo I graduated to the giddy heights of a Junior-the novelty wore off that pretty quickly when from 8,500' AGL I couldn't make it 40km home at best LD into a light breeze without another thermal! It's no use saying I learned in one of those, and if it was good enough for me then it is good enough for the current generation of learners. We need to keep them interested, a little excited, able to progress quickly enough for it to be satisfying and also very safe. I don't claim to know the answers, but I doubt if it is IS28s, K13s, K6s and Juniors. K21s? Probably, but I don't know what to recommend for a first single-seater. Merry Xmas, Colin From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Wednesday, 24 December 2014 8:22 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IS-28B CQC's last flying day: So when the student finally hops into the Jantar he thinks, great, If I spin, I'll have at least 1500feet before I reach VNE? Sorry, but I think that teaching REAL spinning characteristics and recovery (and hence why spins should be avoided) is more important than simulations I have no issues spinning the 1000. At least I've never had to recover from an inverted spin, unlike an IS28, but that's another story. Derek (who did his spin training in a K7 from 1200feet at Dunstable) From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Leigh Bunting Sent: Wednesday, 24 December 2014 5:10 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IS-28B CQC's last flying day: Funny, European and British gliding clubs cherish their K13's. I don't believe gliding there is suffering as a result of teaching in "yesterday's gliders". I understand Lasham (?) have 7 or 8 K13's going from dawn till dark. Some years ago I flew the DG-1000 at Camden including spins. Spins nicely but jeez, it's a rocket when it stops and thought then it was gonna scare the c..p out of students who aren't right on the ball and give the instructors even more grey hair than they've got. Anyone know if a DG-1000 is used for ab initio training? At least a K21 takes 1500' to get to Vne. Merry Xmas, Leigh Bunting On 24/12/14 08:25, Tim Shirley wrote: 1. It doesn't seem to be a wise strategy for the future of gliding to teach tomorrows pilots to fly in yesterday's gliders.
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