I remember that storm well...because there were knuckleheads riding down
the middle of the street weaving between lanes on University avenue laughing
their asses off and deliberately impeding traffic....this does NOT help the
advocacy of cycling.....every goofball that blows off a stoplight, acts
irresponsibly etc on their bike makes it more difficult for us to make the case
for cycling as a great transportation area..which it of course is...and how
many
of us have used hyperbole and flames when criticizing someone's else's
behavior? Stop broad brushing anyone on two wheels as a righteous
commuter....its simply not true.
We all need to understand that its often the goofballs doing dumb things that
make us less acceptable to some...that's simply not cool.
Today's a new day...the guy coming in helped CREATE CYCLING ADVOCACY and
facilities in this town....Dave did some good things for cycling, some not so
good....the guy comign in has proven he can get it done before...with a strong
advocacy group helping bring priorities to the table...our city government and
community can even do better.
________________________________
From: Mike <[email protected]>
To: Tom Held <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 2:19:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bikies] Remember This?
wow. feel the knee jerk.
be afraid. be very afraid.
On Apr 6, 2011, at 13:02, Tom Held <[email protected]> wrote:
This blog post has a good group of links on Soglin’s public statements on
biking http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/lifestyle/119303404.html
>
> For the details, I would defer to the Madison bikies who have more insight
>into his past practices as mayor.
>
>
> Tom
>
>
________________________________
>From:[email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]]
>On Behalf Of Chuck Strawser
>Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:00 PM
>To: Robert F. Nagel
>Cc: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Bikies] Remember This?
>
>I'm saying that Soglin said this year, one week ago:
>'people who bike in the winter should have their head examined'
>
>Regardless of whether the mayor chooses to ride a bike in winter (or at all),
>I
>think it is a problem that he apparently questions the sanity of those of us
>who
>do choose to ride a bike in winter (as I have done for 13 winters with no real
>problems, other than having to detour around wrecks caused by operators
>of motor
>vehicles who discounted the safety issues of traveling by any mode in winter
>conditions).
>
>If nothing else, it suggests that he will place a very low priority on
>important
>issues that encourage of discourage more cycling any time, but especially in
>winter, when, for example, the difference between plowing snow from bike paths
>and bike lanes can make the difference between someone riding a bike to work
>or
>driving a car.
>
>what else will fall to the wayside? implementation of the recommendations of
>the
>platinum city bicycling committee report? I think we need to hear what the
>mayor's policy on cycling for transportation (in any season) is for the city
>he
>was just elected to run.
>
>
>On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Robert F. Nagel <[email protected]> wrote:
>so, you're saying, you think he really thinks cyclists should be executed for
>riding after that second storm?
>
>
>---
>Robert F. Nagel
>[email protected]
>www.nagel-law.com
>Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor
>30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001
>Madison , WI 53703
>608-255-1501 office
>608-255-1504 fax
>608-438-9501 cell
>
>
>On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Chuck Strawser <[email protected]> wrote:
>A friend posted to FB on March 30, 2011 (apologies to my friend, who I do not
>think subscribes to this list, for copying a post open only to her friends to
>a
>public list serv). I have blind cc'd her. If she allows me to link her FB post
>to this list, I will.
>
>"Soglin still believes that 'people who bike in the winter should have their
>head examined.' He told me this morning, when he was campaigning outside of
>the
>Co-op. This was just before the GM came out to speak to him, I think she asked
>him to leave."
>So while Soglin’s previous comment about shooting cyclists may have been
>“tongue-in-cheek” (“kidding on the square”?
>http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kidding%20on%20the%20Square)...
>I think our new (old) mayor’s attitude towards cycling as transportation needs
>changing, so I don't think we are actually beating a dead horse, literally or
>figuratively.
>chuck
>
________________________________
>From:[email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]]
>On Behalf Of Robert F. Nagel
>Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:29 PM
>To: VIOLA , INDIA R
>Cc: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Bikies] Remember This?
>
>i think he addressed that comment on his blog by noting that it was tongue in
>cheek or whatever in parentheses, as if it wasn't apparent that he didn't
>intend
>to be taken literally; seems like you might be beating a dead horse, although
>i
>do not believe that you are actually beating a dead horse; sometimes we use
>colorful language, and it's ok, although of course language does not really
>have
>color
>---
>Robert F. Nagel
>[email protected]
>www.nagel-law.com
>Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor
>30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001
>Madison , WI 53703
>608-255-1501 office
>608-255-1504 fax
>608-438-9501 cell
>On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:07 PM, India Rose Viola <[email protected]> wrote:
>Has Soglin been asked to recant or clarify his intentions with that stupid
>comment? I think his comment reflects a moment of poor judgment on his part,
>but am wondering what his actual stance is on bike advocacy, improving bike
>infrastructure in Madison, retaining funding for biking etc.
>
>- india
>
>On 04/06/11, Robin wrote:
>> Well, this being a bike advocacy list (ring your brass bells people!)
>> having a reactionary doofus like Soggy-Dog-Doglin as mayor is a little
>> frightening.
>>
>> Am I off base here?
>>
>> Maybe we should go back to discussing car horns during protests around
>> the square?
>>
>> PS- As mayor Soglin once chased a motorcyclists down on the beltline
>> at speeds up to 100 mph. Is Mayor/Officer Soglin going to run me over
>> in his SUV next winter when he passes me on East Mifflin?
>>
>> R.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Robert F. Nagel <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> > your point being?
>> > ---
>> > Robert F. Nagel
>> > [email protected]
>> > www.nagel-law.com
>> > Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor
>> > 30 W. Mifflin St. , Suite 1001
>> > Madison , WI 53703
>> > 608-255-1501 office
>> > 608-255-1504 fax
>> > 608-438-9501 cell
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Robin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Our new/old mayor, circa 2007:
>> >> <http://www.waxingamerica.com/2007/12/bicycling-madis.html>
>> >>
>> >> (Tongue in cheek mode ON) "The bicyclists who braved the week's second
>> >> storm should be taken out and shot."
>> >>
>> >> Awesome!
>> >> --
>> >> Pointlessly blogging at www.robindavies.us
>> >> Try something new every day.
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