I too, at times, would like to attack the integrity of another poster. But I don't, because... well, actually, I often do. Case in point, in fact. But I enjoyed this particular discussion regardless any overblown claims. What actually lights my fuse is reasoned, measured comments - tolerance of others who might ride differently than I do is a particular irritant. After all, we didn't labour to build and maintain this internet of ours for rational discourse - we built it so we could compare one another to facists and genocidalists, as God intended.
I love-hate you all. On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 12:21 PM Matt Coppens via Bikies < bikies@lists.danenet.org> wrote: > I too, at times, want to yell out into the void of the interwebs to create > drama where none has existed before. But I don't, because I am a rational > adult. > > So let's be real, there has been no notable accidents or incidents > resulting in serious injuries or deaths. There has been nothing brought to > the attention by local news outlets. And those who are riding said bicycles > are probably more aware of their surroundings because of the precious cargo > they carry. > > This post/chat has successfully wasted nearly 10min of my time in what > equates to pointless squabbling. If you want to make great use of time > here, let's focus on advocating for better roads, inclusion of separate > bike lanes on reconstruction and resurfacing of roads, and more signage to > alert drivers of cyclists. > > Be Best. > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 12:45 Steve Arnold via Bikies < > bikies@lists.danenet.org> wrote: > >> On 7/9/2019 5:38 PM, john wagnitz via Bikies wrote: >> > Anybody taking bets on how long before we see a fatality on the bike >> > path in Madison? I predict before the end of the month. >> > The offenders are not riding B-Cycles but seem to all be riding “bikes” >> > with the Copenhagen wheel. I’m pretty sure they are breaking the speed >> > limit. >> >> Insofar as I know, there is no speed limit on Madison paths and state >> trails. What statute, ordinance, or administrative rule do you think >> establishes a speed limit? >> >> > The State Legislature gave local governments the power to regulate >> these >> > “bikes.” >> >> The "e-bike bill" has been passed by the Senate and recommended by an >> Assembly to the full house, but not passed by the Assembly or signed >> into law by the government. The powers you describe do not yet exist. >> >> > I hope any local officials reading this post will do something before >> > somebody gets seriously injured, or killed. >> > John Wagnitz >> >> The supporters of the e-bike bill (including the Wisconsin Bike Fed, the >> American Heart Association, the Cities and Chambers of Commerce of >> Madison and Milwaukee, Greater Wisconsin Agency on Aging Resources, >> Trek, Harley-Davidson, Uber, and the WI League of Municipalities) agree >> that differences in speed in congested areas, not speed, and especially >> not the source of motive power, are the source of many safety risks. >> >> They urge those who will have power to regulate the newly defined >> vehicles to first consider separation of modes, e.g., providing cycle >> tracks parallel to roads and separating multi-use paths into cycle >> tracks and pedestrian ways. This solution is in place and working well >> on the busiest active transportation facilities in Madison: the Capital >> City State Trail at Monona Terrace, where bike commuter and fishermen >> and -women safely coexist. >> >> If there is still a safety problem, or if mode separation is infeasible, >> then regulators should consider speed limits for all facility users, not >> just one vehicle type. We all have seen bicycle athletes on completely >> human-powered bikes hammering down multi-use paths without regard to >> other users. Why pick out e-bikes, or Copenhegen Wheel users, for >> special attention? >> -- >> Steve Arnold, Former Mayor, and >> Chair, Wisconsin Bike Fed Board of Directors Lobbying Committee >> 2530 Targhee Street, Fitchburg, Wisconsin 53711-5491 >> Telephone +1 608 278 7700 · Facsimile +1 608 278 7701 >> steve.arn...@fitchburg.wi.us · http://Arnold.US >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> Bikies@lists.danenet.org >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > Bikies@lists.danenet.org > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > -- S. Rose
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