Hi Rami, only Nafaa may reply to your inquiries, I just reminded what I already expressing during the open licensing workshop on IGF Egypt :) I cannot discuss about the CC meeting in Doha too as I was not there. well it is not competition between Arab countries but more we are blocked by the difference between legal regimes in Arab region. I understand that we may need common translation for Arab region, but standardization doesn't mean denying particularities of each country. I think that there is misunderstanding because I said "adapted to " and not "adopted". For word commons, it may be translated to term "الشياع", the term "المشاع" sounds odd and it may cause confusion. using the "commons" without translation is not suitable too.
Yes, I know that Jordan license is the first one adopted, I don't see the relevance of such statement on out discussion? finally, what I expressed is only my understanding, I am not legal expert (and I am not going to be soon), you should ask Nafaa if you want more detailed answers . Regards Rafik 2010/4/20 Rami Olwan <[email protected]> > No one proposed a better translation even Nafaa who promised do so in the > CC Arab world meeting that was held in Doha last year, and he failed to do > so until now. Al Jazeera senior Arabic translator was advised of the > translation and find it appropriate. You can also check the CC Jordan > discussion list that was started since 2004 in relation to this matter that > explains the reasons of adopting the suggested term. > > I am not sure what do you mean that it is not adopted in the Tunisian > context? > > Is this based on a particular provision in the civil law of Tunis or the > the intellectual property system (copyright law) applicable in Tunisia? > > There is no special context here as the original word 'Commons' is English > and most CC jurisdictions have tried either to translate the word to the > local language or translated the word as it is in English. We will do both > not to cause confusion to the original term. > > Once the Jordanian license is approved by CC, it will be the first Arabic > license and users are free to adopt it or use another one as they may deem > appropriate. > > I think translation should be done soon and there is no need to wait for a > particular law to come as this will take long time and laws change from time > to time. If the law has changed then there should be another version of the > license based on the new law. Versioning is well recognized in CC. > > Best, > > Rami Olwan > > > > PhD Candidate, Australian government scholar (2008) > > ARC Centre of Excellence for Creative Industries and Innovation > > Project Leader Creative Commons Jordan > > LL.M. Columbia University School of Law, New York, U.S. > > Phone: +61 731389591 > > Fax: +61 731389395 > > Mobile: +61 413743395 > > E-mail: [email protected] > > Website: http://www.olwan.org > > Address: Level 1, Margaret Street > > Brisbane QLD 4000 > > Australia > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rafik Dammak <[email protected]> > *To:* Mohamed ElGohary <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Bassel Safadi <[email protected]>; Anas Qtiesh < > [email protected]>; [email protected] > *Sent:* Tue, April 20, 2010 4:26:38 AM > *Subject:* Re: [cc-arab-world] What's "Creative Commons Attribution 3.0" > in Arabic? > > Hi Mohamed, > > not really, it is a translation made by our friends in Jordan but my > understanding from Nafaa who is the Legal leader for Tunisia CC project, > such translation isn't adapted to Tunisia context. > @Houssem I think that the best is not to select French CC, our legal > regimes may be close but the Tunisian IP law is going to be changed. I guess > that the workaround is to select "unported" as option? > > Regards > > Rafik > > > 2010/4/20 Mohamed ElGohary <[email protected]> > >> Isn't المشاع الإبداعي the most common now? >> >> Best! >> Gohary >> >> *Global Voices Lingua >> Editor<http://ar.globalvoicesonline.org/author/mohamed/> >> Global Voices >> Author<http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/author/mohamed-elgohary/> >> * >> >> Cell: +20166635214 >> Contact Me: [image: <SPAN id=]Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/ircpresident>" >> style="padding: 0px 3px 5px 0px; vertical-align: middle;" >> border="0"><http://www.facebook.com/ircpresident>[image: >> <SPAN id=]LinkedIn" style="padding: 0px 3px 5px 0px; vertical-align: >> middle;" border="0"> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ircpresident>[image: >> Flickr] <http://www.flickr.com/photos/ircpresident/>[image: >> Twitter]<http://www.twitter.com/ircpresident>[image: >> <SPAN id=]Blogger" style="padding: 0px 3px 5px 0px; vertical-align: >> middle;" border="0"> <http://technoemedia.blogspot.com>[image: >> Delicious]<http://delicious.com/ircpresident>[image: >> <SPAN id=]FriendFeed" style="padding: 0px 3px 5px 0px; vertical-align: >> middle;" border="0"> <http://friendfeed.com/ircpresident>[image: >> Last.<SPAN id=]fm" style="padding: 0px 3px 5px 0px; vertical-align: >> middle;" border="0"> <http://www.last.fm/user/ircpresident>[image: <SPAN >> id=]MyBlogLog" style="padding: 0px 3px 5px 0px; vertical-align: middle;" >> border="0"> <http://www.mybloglog.com/buzz/members/ircpresident/>[image: >> <SPAN id=]YouTube" style="padding: 0px 3px 5px 0px; vertical-align: >> middle;" border="0"> <http://www.youtube.com/user/ircpresident> >> Skype/ircpresident >> >> >> 2010/4/20 Bassel Safadi <[email protected]> >> >> Hi Anas, >>> the official translation of Attribution came from the Jordanian which >>> is (نسب المصنف) and this likely will be used in the arabic unported >>> >>> 2010/4/20 Anas Qtiesh <[email protected]>: >>> > Hello All, >>> > >>> > I'm working on localizing the theme of Global Voices Online in Arabic, >>> and >>> > we're making the CC license more prominent. So I need the accurate >>> > translation of "Creative Commons Attribution 3.0." I understand that >>> there >>> > are several versions/suggestions depending no what Arabic-speaking >>> country >>> > uses for their respective license. 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