As with most blanket statements...."X in Europe is horrible" or "Y in America is horrible" are pretty thin, hard to prove one way or the other.
Bottom line, if you are leading a life you enjoy, you are going to be happy. You gave great examples of Europeans that fit that, I can give (and i'm sure you can too) dozens of similar examples here in America. We can debate the merits of one system, the advantages and disadvantages of another...on and on....but I think it's important to remember that in the grand scheme of things, "the system" tends to actually work pretty well...be it in Europe, America, Canada....etc. BG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:14 AM Subject: Re: Envy Of The World? > > Brian wrote: > > I just don't think the scenario you describe here is quite the paradise it > > seems on the surface. > > Nobody is more skeptical than me - but over the last 4 years here's > the difference I've noticed: American programmers seem skeptical and > fearful. Their European counterparts don't. > > As to the paradise, it comes with its downside: entering the job > market you'll make very little. You get good benefits, but the middle > class dream requires that you "pay your dues." The first 10 years of > your working life will be hard work for little pay. The last 10 won't > make you rich. > > In America, if you want to be rich you can be withing 10-15 years > given you're willing to sacrific everything to get it. Further, you > may just get rich doing the same ole same ole. > > In Europe, I know another programmer (Irish working for a French > company) who just took the summer off to learn to play the guitar and > spend time with his kids - he's 38. He came back to the same job he > left. > > In Germany I know 2 guys who work for Siemens. One is an XML expert, > the other is a strategic development manager. He drives a mercedes, > lives in the Alps and is a ski rescuer in his spare time. The XML guy > is a BMW and car fanatic. > > In Switzerland I know a guy in his 60s who works for a SwissTechnics. > He has a decent house in Zurich, and recently had a heart attack. I > haven't heard him complain about health care. > > Just a few examples, but from all walks of life. > > So I think it's funny when I hear people talking about how horrible > Europe is, but everyone I know that lives there feels the same about > us! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=37 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:132722 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
