I would say yes because your money is not going to Walmart and you would not be rewarding bad behavior nor would your money be going to corporatist candidates. By going to walmart you are only making it worse. I haven't shopped there in 10 years regardless of my financial situation. I have found other ways to save money without fucking over my fellow humans.
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 5:08 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: why ceo's can't stand obama Those are really interesting, but you did not answer my question. When times are hard, the logical thing to do is make sure that what money you have is being spent wisely. Do you think its wise to spend more and get less simply so you can avoid buying stuff from Wal-Mart? Its a simple 'yes' or 'no' question Larry. Here I will make it easier. Lets say I am unemployed and have very little money coming in. I have 2 choices to buy milk: the 'local' supermarket or the 'local' Wal-Mart. At the Supermarket the price is typically $0.30 - $0.50 higher per gallon than at Wal-Mart. Where should I buy milk from to make sure that I get the best value for what little money I have to work with? I am not trying to defend Wal-Mart or their practices, but, to me, there comes a time where taking care of my family's needs trumps some ideals I may have. When times are hard, my family comes first. Period. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com> wrote: > > here are some references > > http://www.usna.edu/Users/polisci/purkitt/behavioraltraps.ppt > http://faculty.babson.edu/krollag/org_site/soc_psych/platt_soc_trap.html > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement#Superimposed_schedules > > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> 'behavioral trap'? >> >> When I was unemployed, do you think it would have been better for me >> and my family to purchase more expensive goods from places that were >> not Wal-Mart? >> >> What you call a 'behavioral trap', I call common sense. If you do not >> have a whole lot of money to play with, you need to be frugal. The >> best place for me to do that around here is Wal-Mart. >> >> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> and that in a nutshell is why so many manufacturing jobs are going offshore. >>> >>> Its a classic behavioral trap, the short term positive consequences >>> outweigh the long term negative ones. >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> To be honest, in this economy, I don't give a shit. >>>> >>>> I, like a lot of people, need to get the most out of each and every >>>> dollar I spend. The best place for that, in my opinion, is Wal-Mart. >>>> >>>> When the economy turns around, and I am no longer afraid that it may >>>> effect my job, then I can go back to supporting local businesses, >>>> until then, I need to do what is best for my family. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> With Walmart however its not just the employees they like to screw >>>>> around, its the small and medium businesses that are the suppliers for >>>>> the company. >>>>> >>>>> What happens is that the contracts allow for a renegotiation every >>>>> year. Year 1 no problem, the supplier typically gives a reasonable >>>>> price which Walmart accepts. Year 2 Walmart comes back and tells the >>>>> supplier to knock 5% off the price. If not Walmart will go overseas to >>>>> a Chinese supplier who can meet that price. That's not so bad so the >>>>> supplier usually complies. Unfortunately Walmart then does it on year >>>>> 3 and 4. Quite rapidly the supplier finds that his margin has >>>>> disappeared and they either have to let the Walmart contract go (which >>>>> has its own problems) or they have to go overseas themselves to meet >>>>> the new price. In the end the supplier and the people working for that >>>>> supplier in the US lose out. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Sisk, Kris <ks...@gckschools.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Didn't you use that example last week and didn't Jerry shoot it down? >>>>>> They don't raise prices and they create as many new business as the >>>>>> ones they replace. >>>>>> >>>>>> I must've missed it. I missed a lot of the list last week. It was a busy >>>>>> week. I'll have to go hunt through the archives. >>>>>> >>>>>>>Also, WalMart, like most retail jobs pay around minimum wage and >>>>>> employee college kids, housewives and retirees. If you are working >>>>>> there as a career they do have management opportunities but not that >>>>>> many. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's what they'd like. The truth of the matter is that an awful lot of >>>>>> people depend on full time Wal-Mart jobs to pay the bills. I know >>>>>> several of them and they make more than minimum wage (not that they're >>>>>> well paid by any stretch, but it's not minimum wage). Admittedly most of >>>>>> them are high school graduates or people who such useful majors as >>>>>> philosophy or, but that doesn't change the fact that they work full time >>>>>> at Wal-Mart. One in particular actually has a business degree but stays >>>>>> at Wal-Mart because she's getting by just fine (and, I think, is scared >>>>>> of change). The last several years Wal-Mart corporate has been bending >>>>>> over backwards to make their lives miserable because it costs them a >>>>>> hell of a lot less to fill the schedule with college kids, housewives, >>>>>> and retirees who don't qualify for full time benefits. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:328022 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
