hey! ... I did not say powerless. I said doable. For most people. Depends on how much else they are trying to juggle, and you have no way of knowing how much that is. So if you want to restate your opinion as "people should do what they can to eat better and exercise more", I'll agree with you ;) If you want to stick with "all people have to do is push away from the table", I'll just chalk you up as unreasonable on this topic. I know I've agreed with you on others.
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm likely coming across as judgmental because that's essentially what I'm > being. I'm a sucker for hard work and have a hard time accepting the path > of least resistance. > > If you have to eat in your car on the way to night class, pack a sandwich > instead of grabbing a burger. It's a simple choice. If you have to take > two buses to get to a super market that sucks to be sure, but it's not an > excuse to only take one bus and get a double whopper. You can carry four > loaves of bread and two jars of peanut butter fairly easy. Put three loaves > of bread in the freezer and voila, you're making a healthier choice. Sure > it's not as healthy and low fat as a sandwich with veggies, but it's a damn > sight better than fast food. > > Single moms, like my sister, have all my respect. It's tough and it can > suck. However being a single mom doesn't mean you get to make poor choices > with dire consequences for the sake of convenience. > > We are not victims of circumstance. If we were we wouldn't have examples of > people in the same tough situations that make good choices. > > We may just have to agree to disagree about how powerless we are to stop > obesity. > > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > sigh, sure. Doable. For most people. Just saying, you do not know what > > people are contending with. Maybe they have to eat in their car on their > > way to night class. Do you want to praise their initiative or decry their > > food choices? Maybe they have to take two buses to get to a supermarket, > > and that's tough with a toddler and an infant. And tougher to carry > enough > > food for a week coming back. I don't want to get bogged down in defending > > every single overweight American. I agree that some of them are lazy. But > > I'm saying you don't know which ones they are, sir, and you come across > as > > pretty judgmental. > > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Those are choices made out of convenience or laziness. No one is forced > > to > > > eat fast food. And few are truly unable to find 30 to 60 minutes a day > to > > > do some exercise. It may not be easy, but it's doable. > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Eric Roberts < > > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I would say a little of both. It's really stacked against us. > > Corporate > > > > greed overrides putting in healthy ingredients...instead we use > > chemicals > > > > that are harmful to us and tend to increase obesity. In the lower > > class > > > > and > > > > even parts of the middle class...i would say that yes, we are > powerless > > > to > > > > stop obesity. Back when we had Mom at home cooking a fresh dinner > with > > > > fresh ingredients, it was a lot easier. Now that most households > are 2 > > > > income households, we are forced to eat more fast food and foods that > > we > > > > can > > > > prepare quickly. These foods have high amounts of saturated fats and > > > high > > > > fructose corn syrup and other products that lead to faster weight > gain. > > > > These products tend to have more calories per serving. Healthy foods > > are > > > > much more expensive to buy and a lot of people just can't afford it. > I > > > > know > > > > I would love to shop at whole foods all the time, but I would go > broke > > > real > > > > fast and I make pretty decent money. Even when you have ideal > > conditions > > > > and one can eat relatively healthy and exercise, it is difficult to > > > > maintain > > > > a good weight. Our lifestyle does not match our evolution. We were > > > > designed to have very active lifestyles. Unfortunately, especially > for > > > > those of us in non-laborer positions, we don't have the time to get > the > > > > exercise we really need. So I would definitely say yes to both, > > > depending > > > > on the situation. > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:31 PM > > > > To: cf-community > > > > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you just trying to illustrate that it's not easy to stay at a > > proper > > > > weight? Or are you saying we're powerless to stop obesity? > > > > > > > > On 2012-01-28, at 7:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" < > > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The big problem is that foods that are cheap tend to have a lot of > > > > > stuff in them that are bad for you. That is a big factor in > obesity. > > > > > Many of the ingredients, like HFCS have been shown to make you gain > > > > > weight. Other factors also get into it...things like thyroid > > disease, > > > > > diabetes, etc...and the drugs that people take to combat these > > diseses > > > > > also contribute to weight gain. I have diabetes. Most of the oral > > > > > meds I take have weight gain as a side effect. Insulin also > increase > > > > > weight gain since when you have higher insulin levels, your body > will > > > > > start to store glucose as fat since it thinks that, because of the > > > > > elevated insulin levels, that there is an abundance of glucose in > > your > > > > > blood. Hypothyroidism, which is pretty common, also adds to weight > > > > > gain as it lowers your metabolism. Pretty much any disorder of the > > > > > pituitary/adrenal system will cause weight gain. Much of this is > > > > > caused by some of the contaminats in our foods, like mercury and > > heavy > > > > metals. So even if you have a healthy diet and exercise, you may not > > > lose > > > > weight. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:10 PM > > > > > To: cf-community > > > > > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me reverse that then D. What percentage of obese people in > North > > > > > America can attribute their physical condition to handicaps? Is it > a > > > > > significant enough number to disregard a common sense approach of > eat > > > > > right (ie. lots of veggies, not much fried or processed food) and > > > > > exercise? If it is, then I'll happily apologize for insinuating > that > > > > > the epidemic of obesity is largely self-inflicted and preventable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> really? How do you know if someone is handicapped? Lots of > > > > >> debilitating conditions won't put you in a wheelchair. > > > > >> > > > > >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Right... the exceptions to the rule, which has nothing to do with > > > > >>> the > > > > >> other > > > > >>> 99.9% of obese people. :) > > > > >>> I don't think anyone is bagging on overweight handicapped people. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Eric Roberts < > > > > >>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Don't forget those who cannot exercise or cannot exercise > > > > >>>> sufficiently > > > > >>> due > > > > >>>> to disabilities. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > > >>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > > > > >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:16 PM > > > > >>>> To: cf-community > > > > >>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> it's only a part of the problem, and only for some people, is > all > > I > > > > >>>> am saying. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Someone who *used* to eat too much, or gained weight for some > > other > > > > >>> reason, > > > > >>>> may have quite a good diet, which is keeping them from gaining > > more > > > > >>>> but > > > > >>> not > > > > >>>> causing them to lose the extra they have. I think you pretty > much > > > > >>>> have > > > > >> to > > > > >>>> exercise, and perhaps strenuously, to lose significant weight > and > > > > >>>> keep > > > > >> it > > > > >>>> off. I for one lost about forty pounds in the past year, but I > was > > > > >> quite > > > > >>>> sick for a while and didn't eat much and what I did eat was raw. > > > > >>>> That's fine, and I've been able to keep it off, but you can't > eat > > > > >>>> all fruit > > > > >> all > > > > >>> of > > > > >>>> the time and stay healthy. Before that, when I asked doctors, I > > got > > > > >>>> different advice. Don't worry about carbs - just avoid fat. > > > > >>>> Cut back on carbs. Eat nothing but protein, and don't worry too > > > > >>>> much > > > > > about the fat. > > > > >>>> Count calories. Don't count calories, you'll make yourself crazy > > > > >>>> -- > > > > >> just > > > > >>>> eat > > > > >>>> right. Like I don't. I probably have better cholesterol numbers > > > > >>>> than > > > > >>> anyone > > > > >>>> on this list ;) > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> So.... I thought three times before getting into this, because I > > > > >>>> didn't want to sound defensive, or like I was making excuses, > but > > > > >>>> this isn't really about me. I have more weight to lose and am > > > > >>>> pretty sure that for me the > > > > >>> key > > > > >>>> will be increasing my activity level, but I don't think that's > the > > > > >>>> case > > > > >>> for > > > > >>>> everyone. My mother was a yo-yo dieter and crash programs > > certainly > > > > >>> didn't > > > > >>>> work for her, and she did religiously swim three or four times a > > > > >>>> week > > > > >> for > > > > >>>> years. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> People gain weight for different reasons. The ones who gain > > because > > > > >> they > > > > >>>> eat > > > > >>>> too much eat too much for different reasons. There are people > who > > > > >>>> have thyroid problems and people who just don't exercise. One > size > > > > >>>> does not > > > > >>> fit > > > > >>>> all, is what I am saying. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM, PT <cft...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Which is where simply pushing away from the table comes in :) > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> See? Not ignorant at all. 2/3 accurate. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> On 1/28/2012 4:08 PM, Medic wrote: > > > > >>>>> The other two legs of the > > > > >>>>>> stool though haven't changed since as long as I can remember. > > > > >>>>>> Reasonable portions and routine exercise. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:346006 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
