Actually in many places that's the only sort of food that's available. For instance in certain areas of DC there are no grocery stores, only convenience stores that have very little fresh food that's typically overpriced. So if you're on a very limited budget, and there is nothing else in a reasonable area, what to you buy Kraft Dinner for a little over a dollar, or spend 5 times that much on some sorry looking vegetables etc.
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Those are choices made out of convenience or laziness. No one is forced to > eat fast food. And few are truly unable to find 30 to 60 minutes a day to > do some exercise. It may not be easy, but it's doable. > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Eric Roberts < > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >> >> I would say a little of both. It's really stacked against us. Corporate >> greed overrides putting in healthy ingredients...instead we use chemicals >> that are harmful to us and tend to increase obesity. In the lower class >> and >> even parts of the middle class...i would say that yes, we are powerless to >> stop obesity. Back when we had Mom at home cooking a fresh dinner with >> fresh ingredients, it was a lot easier. Now that most households are 2 >> income households, we are forced to eat more fast food and foods that we >> can >> prepare quickly. These foods have high amounts of saturated fats and high >> fructose corn syrup and other products that lead to faster weight gain. >> These products tend to have more calories per serving. Healthy foods are >> much more expensive to buy and a lot of people just can't afford it. I >> know >> I would love to shop at whole foods all the time, but I would go broke real >> fast and I make pretty decent money. Even when you have ideal conditions >> and one can eat relatively healthy and exercise, it is difficult to >> maintain >> a good weight. Our lifestyle does not match our evolution. We were >> designed to have very active lifestyles. Unfortunately, especially for >> those of us in non-laborer positions, we don't have the time to get the >> exercise we really need. So I would definitely say yes to both, depending >> on the situation. >> >> Eric >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:31 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >> >> >> Are you just trying to illustrate that it's not easy to stay at a proper >> weight? Or are you saying we're powerless to stop obesity? >> >> On 2012-01-28, at 7:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com >> > >> wrote: >> >> > >> > The big problem is that foods that are cheap tend to have a lot of >> > stuff in them that are bad for you. That is a big factor in obesity. >> > Many of the ingredients, like HFCS have been shown to make you gain >> > weight. Other factors also get into it...things like thyroid disease, >> > diabetes, etc...and the drugs that people take to combat these diseses >> > also contribute to weight gain. I have diabetes. Most of the oral >> > meds I take have weight gain as a side effect. Insulin also increase >> > weight gain since when you have higher insulin levels, your body will >> > start to store glucose as fat since it thinks that, because of the >> > elevated insulin levels, that there is an abundance of glucose in your >> > blood. Hypothyroidism, which is pretty common, also adds to weight >> > gain as it lowers your metabolism. Pretty much any disorder of the >> > pituitary/adrenal system will cause weight gain. Much of this is >> > caused by some of the contaminats in our foods, like mercury and heavy >> metals. So even if you have a healthy diet and exercise, you may not lose >> weight. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] >> > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:10 PM >> > To: cf-community >> > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >> > >> > >> > Let me reverse that then D. What percentage of obese people in North >> > America can attribute their physical condition to handicaps? Is it a >> > significant enough number to disregard a common sense approach of eat >> > right (ie. lots of veggies, not much fried or processed food) and >> > exercise? If it is, then I'll happily apologize for insinuating that >> > the epidemic of obesity is largely self-inflicted and preventable. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> really? How do you know if someone is handicapped? Lots of >> >> debilitating conditions won't put you in a wheelchair. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Right... the exceptions to the rule, which has nothing to do with >> >>> the >> >> other >> >>> 99.9% of obese people. :) >> >>> I don't think anyone is bagging on overweight handicapped people. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Eric Roberts < >> >>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Don't forget those who cannot exercise or cannot exercise >> >>>> sufficiently >> >>> due >> >>>> to disabilities. >> >>>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >> >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:16 PM >> >>>> To: cf-community >> >>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> it's only a part of the problem, and only for some people, is all I >> >>>> am saying. >> >>>> >> >>>> Someone who *used* to eat too much, or gained weight for some other >> >>> reason, >> >>>> may have quite a good diet, which is keeping them from gaining more >> >>>> but >> >>> not >> >>>> causing them to lose the extra they have. I think you pretty much >> >>>> have >> >> to >> >>>> exercise, and perhaps strenuously, to lose significant weight and >> >>>> keep >> >> it >> >>>> off. I for one lost about forty pounds in the past year, but I was >> >> quite >> >>>> sick for a while and didn't eat much and what I did eat was raw. >> >>>> That's fine, and I've been able to keep it off, but you can't eat >> >>>> all fruit >> >> all >> >>> of >> >>>> the time and stay healthy. Before that, when I asked doctors, I got >> >>>> different advice. Don't worry about carbs - just avoid fat. >> >>>> Cut back on carbs. Eat nothing but protein, and don't worry too >> >>>> much >> > about the fat. >> >>>> Count calories. Don't count calories, you'll make yourself crazy >> >>>> -- >> >> just >> >>>> eat >> >>>> right. Like I don't. I probably have better cholesterol numbers >> >>>> than >> >>> anyone >> >>>> on this list ;) >> >>>> >> >>>> So.... I thought three times before getting into this, because I >> >>>> didn't want to sound defensive, or like I was making excuses, but >> >>>> this isn't really about me. I have more weight to lose and am >> >>>> pretty sure that for me the >> >>> key >> >>>> will be increasing my activity level, but I don't think that's the >> >>>> case >> >>> for >> >>>> everyone. My mother was a yo-yo dieter and crash programs certainly >> >>> didn't >> >>>> work for her, and she did religiously swim three or four times a >> >>>> week >> >> for >> >>>> years. >> >>>> >> >>>> People gain weight for different reasons. The ones who gain because >> >> they >> >>>> eat >> >>>> too much eat too much for different reasons. There are people who >> >>>> have thyroid problems and people who just don't exercise. One size >> >>>> does not >> >>> fit >> >>>> all, is what I am saying. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM, PT <cft...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Which is where simply pushing away from the table comes in :) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> See? Not ignorant at all. 2/3 accurate. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 1/28/2012 4:08 PM, Medic wrote: >> >>>>> The other two legs of the >> >>>>>> stool though haven't changed since as long as I can remember. >> >>>>>> Reasonable portions and routine exercise. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:346044 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
