That was Gruss that said all you need to do is push away from the table. I said he kind of had a point, but my stance is that you need to have a three legged stool. Healthier food choices, healthier portions and more physical activity. :)
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > hey! > > ... I did not say powerless. I said doable. For most people. Depends on how > much else they are trying to juggle, and you have no way of knowing how > much that is. So if you want to restate your opinion as "people should do > what they can to eat better and exercise more", I'll agree with you ;) If > you want to stick with "all people have to do is push away from the table", > I'll just chalk you up as unreasonable on this topic. I know I've agreed > with you on others. > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I'm likely coming across as judgmental because that's essentially what > I'm > > being. I'm a sucker for hard work and have a hard time accepting the path > > of least resistance. > > > > If you have to eat in your car on the way to night class, pack a sandwich > > instead of grabbing a burger. It's a simple choice. If you have to take > > two buses to get to a super market that sucks to be sure, but it's not an > > excuse to only take one bus and get a double whopper. You can carry four > > loaves of bread and two jars of peanut butter fairly easy. Put three > loaves > > of bread in the freezer and voila, you're making a healthier choice. Sure > > it's not as healthy and low fat as a sandwich with veggies, but it's a > damn > > sight better than fast food. > > > > Single moms, like my sister, have all my respect. It's tough and it can > > suck. However being a single mom doesn't mean you get to make poor > choices > > with dire consequences for the sake of convenience. > > > > We are not victims of circumstance. If we were we wouldn't have examples > of > > people in the same tough situations that make good choices. > > > > We may just have to agree to disagree about how powerless we are to stop > > obesity. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > sigh, sure. Doable. For most people. Just saying, you do not know what > > > people are contending with. Maybe they have to eat in their car on > their > > > way to night class. Do you want to praise their initiative or decry > their > > > food choices? Maybe they have to take two buses to get to a > supermarket, > > > and that's tough with a toddler and an infant. And tougher to carry > > enough > > > food for a week coming back. I don't want to get bogged down in > defending > > > every single overweight American. I agree that some of them are lazy. > But > > > I'm saying you don't know which ones they are, sir, and you come across > > as > > > pretty judgmental. > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Those are choices made out of convenience or laziness. No one is > forced > > > to > > > > eat fast food. And few are truly unable to find 30 to 60 minutes a > day > > to > > > > do some exercise. It may not be easy, but it's doable. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Eric Roberts < > > > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say a little of both. It's really stacked against us. > > > Corporate > > > > > greed overrides putting in healthy ingredients...instead we use > > > chemicals > > > > > that are harmful to us and tend to increase obesity. In the lower > > > class > > > > > and > > > > > even parts of the middle class...i would say that yes, we are > > powerless > > > > to > > > > > stop obesity. Back when we had Mom at home cooking a fresh dinner > > with > > > > > fresh ingredients, it was a lot easier. Now that most households > > are 2 > > > > > income households, we are forced to eat more fast food and foods > that > > > we > > > > > can > > > > > prepare quickly. These foods have high amounts of saturated fats > and > > > > high > > > > > fructose corn syrup and other products that lead to faster weight > > gain. > > > > > These products tend to have more calories per serving. Healthy > foods > > > are > > > > > much more expensive to buy and a lot of people just can't afford > it. > > I > > > > > know > > > > > I would love to shop at whole foods all the time, but I would go > > broke > > > > real > > > > > fast and I make pretty decent money. Even when you have ideal > > > conditions > > > > > and one can eat relatively healthy and exercise, it is difficult to > > > > > maintain > > > > > a good weight. Our lifestyle does not match our evolution. We > were > > > > > designed to have very active lifestyles. Unfortunately, especially > > for > > > > > those of us in non-laborer positions, we don't have the time to get > > the > > > > > exercise we really need. So I would definitely say yes to both, > > > > depending > > > > > on the situation. > > > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:31 PM > > > > > To: cf-community > > > > > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you just trying to illustrate that it's not easy to stay at a > > > proper > > > > > weight? Or are you saying we're powerless to stop obesity? > > > > > > > > > > On 2012-01-28, at 7:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" < > > > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The big problem is that foods that are cheap tend to have a lot > of > > > > > > stuff in them that are bad for you. That is a big factor in > > obesity. > > > > > > Many of the ingredients, like HFCS have been shown to make you > gain > > > > > > weight. Other factors also get into it...things like thyroid > > > disease, > > > > > > diabetes, etc...and the drugs that people take to combat these > > > diseses > > > > > > also contribute to weight gain. I have diabetes. Most of the > oral > > > > > > meds I take have weight gain as a side effect. Insulin also > > increase > > > > > > weight gain since when you have higher insulin levels, your body > > will > > > > > > start to store glucose as fat since it thinks that, because of > the > > > > > > elevated insulin levels, that there is an abundance of glucose in > > > your > > > > > > blood. Hypothyroidism, which is pretty common, also adds to > weight > > > > > > gain as it lowers your metabolism. Pretty much any disorder of > the > > > > > > pituitary/adrenal system will cause weight gain. Much of this is > > > > > > caused by some of the contaminats in our foods, like mercury and > > > heavy > > > > > metals. So even if you have a healthy diet and exercise, you may > not > > > > lose > > > > > weight. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:10 PM > > > > > > To: cf-community > > > > > > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me reverse that then D. What percentage of obese people in > > North > > > > > > America can attribute their physical condition to handicaps? Is > it > > a > > > > > > significant enough number to disregard a common sense approach of > > eat > > > > > > right (ie. lots of veggies, not much fried or processed food) and > > > > > > exercise? If it is, then I'll happily apologize for insinuating > > that > > > > > > the epidemic of obesity is largely self-inflicted and > preventable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> really? How do you know if someone is handicapped? Lots of > > > > > >> debilitating conditions won't put you in a wheelchair. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Right... the exceptions to the rule, which has nothing to do > with > > > > > >>> the > > > > > >> other > > > > > >>> 99.9% of obese people. :) > > > > > >>> I don't think anyone is bagging on overweight handicapped > people. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Eric Roberts < > > > > > >>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Don't forget those who cannot exercise or cannot exercise > > > > > >>>> sufficiently > > > > > >>> due > > > > > >>>> to disabilities. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > > > >>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > > > > > >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:16 PM > > > > > >>>> To: cf-community > > > > > >>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> it's only a part of the problem, and only for some people, is > > all > > > I > > > > > >>>> am saying. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Someone who *used* to eat too much, or gained weight for some > > > other > > > > > >>> reason, > > > > > >>>> may have quite a good diet, which is keeping them from gaining > > > more > > > > > >>>> but > > > > > >>> not > > > > > >>>> causing them to lose the extra they have. I think you pretty > > much > > > > > >>>> have > > > > > >> to > > > > > >>>> exercise, and perhaps strenuously, to lose significant weight > > and > > > > > >>>> keep > > > > > >> it > > > > > >>>> off. I for one lost about forty pounds in the past year, but I > > was > > > > > >> quite > > > > > >>>> sick for a while and didn't eat much and what I did eat was > raw. > > > > > >>>> That's fine, and I've been able to keep it off, but you can't > > eat > > > > > >>>> all fruit > > > > > >> all > > > > > >>> of > > > > > >>>> the time and stay healthy. Before that, when I asked doctors, > I > > > got > > > > > >>>> different advice. Don't worry about carbs - just avoid fat. > > > > > >>>> Cut back on carbs. Eat nothing but protein, and don't worry > too > > > > > >>>> much > > > > > > about the fat. > > > > > >>>> Count calories. Don't count calories, you'll make yourself > crazy > > > > > >>>> -- > > > > > >> just > > > > > >>>> eat > > > > > >>>> right. Like I don't. I probably have better cholesterol > numbers > > > > > >>>> than > > > > > >>> anyone > > > > > >>>> on this list ;) > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> So.... I thought three times before getting into this, > because I > > > > > >>>> didn't want to sound defensive, or like I was making excuses, > > but > > > > > >>>> this isn't really about me. I have more weight to lose and am > > > > > >>>> pretty sure that for me the > > > > > >>> key > > > > > >>>> will be increasing my activity level, but I don't think that's > > the > > > > > >>>> case > > > > > >>> for > > > > > >>>> everyone. My mother was a yo-yo dieter and crash programs > > > certainly > > > > > >>> didn't > > > > > >>>> work for her, and she did religiously swim three or four > times a > > > > > >>>> week > > > > > >> for > > > > > >>>> years. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> People gain weight for different reasons. The ones who gain > > > because > > > > > >> they > > > > > >>>> eat > > > > > >>>> too much eat too much for different reasons. There are people > > who > > > > > >>>> have thyroid problems and people who just don't exercise. One > > size > > > > > >>>> does not > > > > > >>> fit > > > > > >>>> all, is what I am saying. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM, PT <cft...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Which is where simply pushing away from the table comes in :) > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> See? Not ignorant at all. 2/3 accurate. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> On 1/28/2012 4:08 PM, Medic wrote: > > > > > >>>>> The other two legs of the > > > > > >>>>>> stool though haven't changed since as long as I can > remember. > > > > > >>>>>> Reasonable portions and routine exercise. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:346012 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
