You're right - here's the key point from wiki on table sugar: "In humans and other mammals, sucrose is broken down into its constituent monosaccharides,glucose and fructose"
HFCS can really be all sorts of mixes but lets say it's HFCS 55: that means 55% fructose and 45% glucose. In other words your body doesnt have to break it down first. This is also very similar to honey's sugar profile. Here's the thing with fructose from wiki: "Fructose is absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract by a different mechanism than that for glucose. Glucose stimulates insulin release from the isolated pancreas, but fructose does not. Fructose is metabolized primarily in the liver." So if you want to experiment, try using honey in place of HFCS - in general you should see no difference. They're the exact same. Bottom line IMO: stay away from all sugars especially fructose. It's bad ju ju. Any experienced trainer will tell you the same thing. Or doctor: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html Fructose is likely a poison. On Jan 29, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > nuh uh, been down that road and couldn't figure out why I kept gaining > weight. Your mileage may vary and apparently does but the science is on > Larry's side on this: > > http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/ > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/18/FDGS24VKMH1.DTL&ao=all > > oh and I just found this while I was looking those up, so all the more > reason, I say. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/26/AR2009012601831.html > > As for avoiding fruit, um, disagree there too. I can't really explain the > difference between fructose in fruit and fructose in high fructose corn > syrup, but apparently there is one, because eliminating processed food has > very much made the difference for me. > > Dana > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Gruss Gott <grussg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Don't worry about HFCS ... Any more than any other sweetener that is. >> >> It's just like cane sugar, beet sugar, maple sugar, agave sugar, etc etc. >> >> They're all sugar: a mix of sucrose/fructose, usually about 50/50. >> >> It's the fructose (without fiber) that kills you. Literally. Stay away >> from all forms of fructose except whole fruit and that only sparingly, >> ideally berries or grapefruit. >> >> If you want sweetener use stevia. >> >> >> >> On Jan 29, 2012, at 5:08 PM, "Eric Roberts" < >> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> HFCS are evil. I try to avoid them when I can, but it is pretty hard to >>> avoid them completely. We even, when we drink soda, make our own using a >>> Sodastream machine...their syrups have less sugar for the regular ones >> (zero >>> for the diet syrups) and do not contain HFCS. Most of the time we just >>> drink Crystal Lite since that uses splenda rather than aspartame >> (something >>> that is also very evil). When I was first diagnosed with diabetes back >> in >>> 2000, I stopped drinking regular sodas and lost 50lbs in a few months >>> without doing anything else. >>> >>> I generally make my sauce from scratch and I don't use meat in it. I >> have >>> yet to hear a single critical word about it :-D >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:42 PM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>> >>> >>> yeah, I gave the can away... don't see the point. If I am going to eat >>> something that's not good for me, I can think of things I would enjoy >> more >>> than tomato sauce ;) But I seem to remember reading that they were >> starting >>> to call high fructose corn syrup something else now, anyone know anything >>> about that? >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Eric Roberts < >>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Actually sweeting tomato sauce is common, but I have always said that >>>> if you need to sweeten your tomato sauce, you probably shouldn't be >>>> making it. If done right, it doesn't need anything to sweeten it. So >>>> if you are buying premade sauce, if it is sweetened, more than likely >>>> it has HFCS. I do watch the labels when I know it is going to do any >>>> good. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:10 PM >>>> To: cf-community >>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>> >>>> >>>> It's possible, just not easy. I think another key is letting processed >>>> foods go, as a group. Even the stuff Whole Foods sells isn't >>>> necessarily organic, and unless you read every single label and look >>>> up every ingredient...I just noticed High fructose corn syrup in the >>>> tomato sauce I was using. I mean, tomato sauce? Why sweeten that? The >>>> next step I want to take is buying at the farmer's market, and even >>>> then I may ask some questions. Living in Santa Cruz County taught me >>>> that even something as apparently healthy as fresh strawberries has >>>> hidden gotchas. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would say a little of both. It's really stacked against us. >>>>> Corporate greed overrides putting in healthy ingredients...instead >>>>> we use chemicals that are harmful to us and tend to increase >>>>> obesity. In the lower class and even parts of the middle class...i >>>>> would say that yes, we are powerless to stop obesity. Back when we >>>>> had Mom at home cooking a fresh dinner with fresh ingredients, it was a >>> lot easier. >>>>> Now that most households are 2 income households, we are forced to >>>>> eat more fast food and foods that we can prepare quickly. These >>>>> foods have high amounts of saturated fats and high fructose corn >>>>> syrup and other products that lead to faster weight gain. >>>>> These products tend to have more calories per serving. Healthy >>>>> foods are much more expensive to buy and a lot of people just can't >>>>> afford it. I know I would love to shop at whole foods all the time, >>>>> but I would go broke real fast and I make pretty decent money. Even >>>>> when you have ideal conditions and one can eat relatively healthy >>>>> and exercise, it is difficult to maintain a good weight. Our >>>>> lifestyle does not match our evolution. We were designed to have >>>>> very active lifestyles. Unfortunately, especially for those of us >>>>> in non-laborer positions, we don't have the time to get the exercise we >>> really need. >>>>> So I would definitely say yes to both, depending on the situation. >>>>> >>>>> Eric >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:31 PM >>>>> To: cf-community >>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Are you just trying to illustrate that it's not easy to stay at a >>>>> proper weight? Or are you saying we're powerless to stop obesity? >>>>> >>>>> On 2012-01-28, at 7:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" >>>>> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com >>>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The big problem is that foods that are cheap tend to have a lot of >>>>>> stuff in them that are bad for you. That is a big factor in obesity. >>>>>> Many of the ingredients, like HFCS have been shown to make you >>>>>> gain weight. Other factors also get into it...things like thyroid >>>>>> disease, diabetes, etc...and the drugs that people take to combat >>>>>> these diseses also contribute to weight gain. I have diabetes. >>>>>> Most of the oral meds I take have weight gain as a side effect. >>>>>> Insulin also increase weight gain since when you have higher >>>>>> insulin levels, your body will start to store glucose as fat since >>>>>> it thinks that, because of the elevated insulin levels, that there >>>>>> is an abundance of glucose in your blood. Hypothyroidism, which >>>>>> is pretty common, also adds to weight gain as it lowers your >>> metabolism. >>>>>> Pretty much any disorder of the pituitary/adrenal system will >>>>>> cause weight gain. Much of this is caused by some of the >>>>>> contaminats in our foods, like mercury and heavy >>>>> metals. So even if you have a healthy diet and exercise, you may >>>>> not lose weight. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:10 PM >>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me reverse that then D. What percentage of obese people in >>>>>> North America can attribute their physical condition to handicaps? >>>>>> Is it a significant enough number to disregard a common sense >>>>>> approach of eat right (ie. lots of veggies, not much fried or >>>>>> processed food) and exercise? If it is, then I'll happily >>>>>> apologize for insinuating that the epidemic of obesity is largely >>> self-inflicted and preventable. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> really? How do you know if someone is handicapped? Lots of >>>>>>> debilitating conditions won't put you in a wheelchair. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Right... the exceptions to the rule, which has nothing to do >>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> 99.9% of obese people. :) >>>>>>>> I don't think anyone is bagging on overweight handicapped people. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>>>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't forget those who cannot exercise or cannot exercise >>>>>>>>> sufficiently >>>>>>>> due >>>>>>>>> to disabilities. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:16 PM >>>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it's only a part of the problem, and only for some people, is >>>>>>>>> all I am saying. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Someone who *used* to eat too much, or gained weight for some >>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> reason, >>>>>>>>> may have quite a good diet, which is keeping them from gaining >>>>>>>>> more but >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> causing them to lose the extra they have. I think you pretty >>>>>>>>> much have >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> exercise, and perhaps strenuously, to lose significant weight >>>>>>>>> and keep >>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> off. I for one lost about forty pounds in the past year, but I >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>> sick for a while and didn't eat much and what I did eat was raw. >>>>>>>>> That's fine, and I've been able to keep it off, but you can't >>>>>>>>> eat all fruit >>>>>>> all >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the time and stay healthy. Before that, when I asked doctors, I >>>>>>>>> got different advice. Don't worry about carbs - just avoid fat. >>>>>>>>> Cut back on carbs. Eat nothing but protein, and don't worry too >>>>>>>>> much >>>>>> about the fat. >>>>>>>>> Count calories. Don't count calories, you'll make yourself >>>>>>>>> crazy >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> eat >>>>>>>>> right. Like I don't. I probably have better cholesterol numbers >>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>> on this list ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So.... I thought three times before getting into this, because >>>>>>>>> I didn't want to sound defensive, or like I was making excuses, >>>>>>>>> but this isn't really about me. I have more weight to lose and >>>>>>>>> am pretty sure that for me the >>>>>>>> key >>>>>>>>> will be increasing my activity level, but I don't think that's >>>>>>>>> the case >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> everyone. My mother was a yo-yo dieter and crash programs >>>>>>>>> certainly >>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>>> work for her, and she did religiously swim three or four times >>>>>>>>> a week >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> People gain weight for different reasons. The ones who gain >>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> eat >>>>>>>>> too much eat too much for different reasons. There are people >>>>>>>>> who have thyroid problems and people who just don't exercise. >>>>>>>>> One size does not >>>>>>>> fit >>>>>>>>> all, is what I am saying. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM, PT <cft...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Which is where simply pushing away from the table comes in :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> See? Not ignorant at all. 2/3 accurate. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/28/2012 4:08 PM, Medic wrote: >>>>>>>>>> The other two legs of the >>>>>>>>>>> stool though haven't changed since as long as I can remember. >>>>>>>>>>> Reasonable portions and routine exercise. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:346094 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
