ok well... whatever works for you. "Don't worry about high fructose corn syrup" does not work for me. Been there, done that, didn't work for me. Eating fresh fruit and vegetables -- does. Can't quite figure out how they can be poisonous, and since eating them works for me, I am going to ignore you on this point.
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Gruss Gott <grussg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > You're right - here's the key point from wiki on table sugar: > > "In humans and other mammals, sucrose is broken down into its constituent > monosaccharides,glucose and fructose" > > HFCS can really be all sorts of mixes but lets say it's HFCS 55: that > means 55% fructose and 45% glucose. In other words your body doesnt have > to break it down first. This is also very similar to honey's sugar > profile. Here's the thing with fructose from wiki: > > "Fructose is absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract by a different > mechanism than that for glucose. Glucose stimulates insulin release from > the isolated pancreas, but fructose does not. Fructose is metabolized > primarily in the liver." > > So if you want to experiment, try using honey in place of HFCS - in > general you should see no difference. They're the exact same. > > Bottom line IMO: stay away from all sugars especially fructose. It's bad > ju ju. Any experienced trainer will tell you the same thing. Or doctor: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html > > Fructose is likely a poison. > > > On Jan 29, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > nuh uh, been down that road and couldn't figure out why I kept gaining > > weight. Your mileage may vary and apparently does but the science is on > > Larry's side on this: > > > > http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/ > > > > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/18/FDGS24VKMH1.DTL&ao=all > > > > oh and I just found this while I was looking those up, so all the more > > reason, I say. > > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/26/AR2009012601831.html > > > > As for avoiding fruit, um, disagree there too. I can't really explain the > > difference between fructose in fruit and fructose in high fructose corn > > syrup, but apparently there is one, because eliminating processed food > has > > very much made the difference for me. > > > > Dana > > > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Gruss Gott <grussg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> Don't worry about HFCS ... Any more than any other sweetener that is. > >> > >> It's just like cane sugar, beet sugar, maple sugar, agave sugar, etc > etc. > >> > >> They're all sugar: a mix of sucrose/fructose, usually about 50/50. > >> > >> It's the fructose (without fiber) that kills you. Literally. Stay away > >> from all forms of fructose except whole fruit and that only sparingly, > >> ideally berries or grapefruit. > >> > >> If you want sweetener use stevia. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jan 29, 2012, at 5:08 PM, "Eric Roberts" < > >> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> HFCS are evil. I try to avoid them when I can, but it is pretty hard > to > >>> avoid them completely. We even, when we drink soda, make our own > using a > >>> Sodastream machine...their syrups have less sugar for the regular ones > >> (zero > >>> for the diet syrups) and do not contain HFCS. Most of the time we just > >>> drink Crystal Lite since that uses splenda rather than aspartame > >> (something > >>> that is also very evil). When I was first diagnosed with diabetes back > >> in > >>> 2000, I stopped drinking regular sodas and lost 50lbs in a few months > >>> without doing anything else. > >>> > >>> I generally make my sauce from scratch and I don't use meat in it. I > >> have > >>> yet to hear a single critical word about it :-D > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > >>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:42 PM > >>> To: cf-community > >>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > >>> > >>> > >>> yeah, I gave the can away... don't see the point. If I am going to eat > >>> something that's not good for me, I can think of things I would enjoy > >> more > >>> than tomato sauce ;) But I seem to remember reading that they were > >> starting > >>> to call high fructose corn syrup something else now, anyone know > anything > >>> about that? > >>> > >>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Eric Roberts < > >>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Actually sweeting tomato sauce is common, but I have always said that > >>>> if you need to sweeten your tomato sauce, you probably shouldn't be > >>>> making it. If done right, it doesn't need anything to sweeten it. So > >>>> if you are buying premade sauce, if it is sweetened, more than likely > >>>> it has HFCS. I do watch the labels when I know it is going to do any > >>>> good. > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:10 PM > >>>> To: cf-community > >>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> It's possible, just not easy. I think another key is letting processed > >>>> foods go, as a group. Even the stuff Whole Foods sells isn't > >>>> necessarily organic, and unless you read every single label and look > >>>> up every ingredient...I just noticed High fructose corn syrup in the > >>>> tomato sauce I was using. I mean, tomato sauce? Why sweeten that? The > >>>> next step I want to take is buying at the farmer's market, and even > >>>> then I may ask some questions. Living in Santa Cruz County taught me > >>>> that even something as apparently healthy as fresh strawberries has > >>>> hidden gotchas. > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Eric Roberts < > >>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I would say a little of both. It's really stacked against us. > >>>>> Corporate greed overrides putting in healthy ingredients...instead > >>>>> we use chemicals that are harmful to us and tend to increase > >>>>> obesity. In the lower class and even parts of the middle class...i > >>>>> would say that yes, we are powerless to stop obesity. Back when we > >>>>> had Mom at home cooking a fresh dinner with fresh ingredients, it > was a > >>> lot easier. > >>>>> Now that most households are 2 income households, we are forced to > >>>>> eat more fast food and foods that we can prepare quickly. These > >>>>> foods have high amounts of saturated fats and high fructose corn > >>>>> syrup and other products that lead to faster weight gain. > >>>>> These products tend to have more calories per serving. Healthy > >>>>> foods are much more expensive to buy and a lot of people just can't > >>>>> afford it. I know I would love to shop at whole foods all the time, > >>>>> but I would go broke real fast and I make pretty decent money. Even > >>>>> when you have ideal conditions and one can eat relatively healthy > >>>>> and exercise, it is difficult to maintain a good weight. Our > >>>>> lifestyle does not match our evolution. We were designed to have > >>>>> very active lifestyles. Unfortunately, especially for those of us > >>>>> in non-laborer positions, we don't have the time to get the exercise > we > >>> really need. > >>>>> So I would definitely say yes to both, depending on the situation. > >>>>> > >>>>> Eric > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:31 PM > >>>>> To: cf-community > >>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Are you just trying to illustrate that it's not easy to stay at a > >>>>> proper weight? Or are you saying we're powerless to stop obesity? > >>>>> > >>>>> On 2012-01-28, at 7:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" > >>>>> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com > >>>>>> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The big problem is that foods that are cheap tend to have a lot of > >>>>>> stuff in them that are bad for you. That is a big factor in > obesity. > >>>>>> Many of the ingredients, like HFCS have been shown to make you > >>>>>> gain weight. Other factors also get into it...things like thyroid > >>>>>> disease, diabetes, etc...and the drugs that people take to combat > >>>>>> these diseses also contribute to weight gain. I have diabetes. > >>>>>> Most of the oral meds I take have weight gain as a side effect. > >>>>>> Insulin also increase weight gain since when you have higher > >>>>>> insulin levels, your body will start to store glucose as fat since > >>>>>> it thinks that, because of the elevated insulin levels, that there > >>>>>> is an abundance of glucose in your blood. Hypothyroidism, which > >>>>>> is pretty common, also adds to weight gain as it lowers your > >>> metabolism. > >>>>>> Pretty much any disorder of the pituitary/adrenal system will > >>>>>> cause weight gain. Much of this is caused by some of the > >>>>>> contaminats in our foods, like mercury and heavy > >>>>> metals. So even if you have a healthy diet and exercise, you may > >>>>> not lose weight. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] > >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:10 PM > >>>>>> To: cf-community > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Let me reverse that then D. What percentage of obese people in > >>>>>> North America can attribute their physical condition to handicaps? > >>>>>> Is it a significant enough number to disregard a common sense > >>>>>> approach of eat right (ie. lots of veggies, not much fried or > >>>>>> processed food) and exercise? If it is, then I'll happily > >>>>>> apologize for insinuating that the epidemic of obesity is largely > >>> self-inflicted and preventable. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> really? How do you know if someone is handicapped? Lots of > >>>>>>> debilitating conditions won't put you in a wheelchair. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Right... the exceptions to the rule, which has nothing to do > >>>>>>>> with the > >>>>>>> other > >>>>>>>> 99.9% of obese people. :) > >>>>>>>> I don't think anyone is bagging on overweight handicapped people. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Eric Roberts < > >>>>>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Don't forget those who cannot exercise or cannot exercise > >>>>>>>>> sufficiently > >>>>>>>> due > >>>>>>>>> to disabilities. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:16 PM > >>>>>>>>> To: cf-community > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> it's only a part of the problem, and only for some people, is > >>>>>>>>> all I am saying. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Someone who *used* to eat too much, or gained weight for some > >>>>>>>>> other > >>>>>>>> reason, > >>>>>>>>> may have quite a good diet, which is keeping them from gaining > >>>>>>>>> more but > >>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>>> causing them to lose the extra they have. I think you pretty > >>>>>>>>> much have > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> exercise, and perhaps strenuously, to lose significant weight > >>>>>>>>> and keep > >>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>> off. I for one lost about forty pounds in the past year, but I > >>>>>>>>> was > >>>>>>> quite > >>>>>>>>> sick for a while and didn't eat much and what I did eat was raw. > >>>>>>>>> That's fine, and I've been able to keep it off, but you can't > >>>>>>>>> eat all fruit > >>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>> the time and stay healthy. Before that, when I asked doctors, I > >>>>>>>>> got different advice. Don't worry about carbs - just avoid fat. > >>>>>>>>> Cut back on carbs. Eat nothing but protein, and don't worry too > >>>>>>>>> much > >>>>>> about the fat. > >>>>>>>>> Count calories. Don't count calories, you'll make yourself > >>>>>>>>> crazy > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> just > >>>>>>>>> eat > >>>>>>>>> right. Like I don't. I probably have better cholesterol numbers > >>>>>>>>> than > >>>>>>>> anyone > >>>>>>>>> on this list ;) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So.... I thought three times before getting into this, because > >>>>>>>>> I didn't want to sound defensive, or like I was making excuses, > >>>>>>>>> but this isn't really about me. I have more weight to lose and > >>>>>>>>> am pretty sure that for me the > >>>>>>>> key > >>>>>>>>> will be increasing my activity level, but I don't think that's > >>>>>>>>> the case > >>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>> everyone. My mother was a yo-yo dieter and crash programs > >>>>>>>>> certainly > >>>>>>>> didn't > >>>>>>>>> work for her, and she did religiously swim three or four times > >>>>>>>>> a week > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>> years. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> People gain weight for different reasons. The ones who gain > >>>>>>>>> because > >>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>> eat > >>>>>>>>> too much eat too much for different reasons. There are people > >>>>>>>>> who have thyroid problems and people who just don't exercise. > >>>>>>>>> One size does not > >>>>>>>> fit > >>>>>>>>> all, is what I am saying. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM, PT <cft...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Which is where simply pushing away from the table comes in :) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> See? Not ignorant at all. 2/3 accurate. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 1/28/2012 4:08 PM, Medic wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> The other two legs of the > >>>>>>>>>>> stool though haven't changed since as long as I can remember. > >>>>>>>>>>> Reasonable portions and routine exercise. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:346095 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
