Just because everyone does it is no excuse. When I get caught speeding do I say..everyone does it.. lol no.
Well as I said I've seen reports on both sides of it. He knew the rules and he broke the, just because everyone does it doesn't mean you should. And he deserves the scrutiny he got for it. IF he wants to sue go for it if not well that's on him. "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:42 PM Subject: Re: A good american > AFAIK he did nothing worse than take a laptop containing classified data > out of its prescribed area. It later developed that this was very often > done at Los Alamos, and many laptops are just plain lost. UC just lost its > contract to run the place due to slovenly security. > > I don't know if he is suing. I am sure it would not endear him to the US > government if he did. > > Dana > > William Wheatley writes: > > > Oh well better safe and in jail until its proven if there was evidence to > > think you were a criminal in the first place. Is he sueing?? If they were so > > wrong why doesn't he have his clearance back?? > > > > I mean if it was me i would be pissed i was in jail but i would understand > > they can't let me roam free with national security interests like that. > > > > He can sue to get his stuff back if it was that unjust. I read on both sides > > of the story. > > > > He was still lookign rather unsavory maybe he realizes he got off easy and > > not to push his luck > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:00 PM > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > > > suuuure the system worked; the guy spent a year in jail, and I think he > > > lost his security clearance. Hard to get work as a nuclear physicist > > > without one. All for something which subsequent investigation revealed to > > > be SOP at Los Alamos. > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > William Wheatley writes: > > > > > > > Sure thats why you dont summarly shoot them and let them goto trial > > first. > > > > Now if its wartime and you are a spy well you're dead meat no trial > > needed > > > > sometimes by law but he was found innocent. System worked.. > > > > > > > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > > good > > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > > off!" > > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:33 PM > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not really in favor of anyone being shot. A spy in wartime > > *might* be > > > > > an exception. However, the scientist I mentioned was accused of spying > > for > > > > > China, and later on they dropped all charges except one, something > > like > > > > > failing to follow proper procedures with classified data. And this was > > > > > probably because the man had already been on jail almost a year; > > proper > > > > > procedures were so rarely followed at Los Alamos that the contract for > > > > > running the place was recently revoked. Point is, sometimes they are > > wrong > > > > > about "spies" too. > > > > > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > > > > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a pacifist, I won't ask for anyone to be shot. I'll even give > > them > > > > > > the rights they deny other prisoners. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:17 > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't want to talk to the men in black this week. Therefore > > > > > > > I have to disagree with you. If we were talking about other > > > > > > > penalties.... I might not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True, in my opinion Bush and Blair may have both betrayed their > > > > > > > > respective countries by deceiving the population. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:03 > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that "those who would betray this country" has a > > > > > > > > > lot of room in it for argument. I am pretty sure that if I > > > > > > > > > agreed with you on the statement, you and I would not be > > > > > > > > > agreeing on who should be shot. So that throws up a huge > > > > > > > > > caution flag in my opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Stanley writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at all. Those who would betray this country should be > > > > > > > > > shot. Those > > > > > > > > > > who serve valiantly this country deserve our respect and > > > > > > > > > > admiration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me put it this way, the sort of belief that deifies > > > > > > > > > veterans etc > > > > > > > > > > is as > > > > > > > > > > dangerous as those who would gladly betray this country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 09:35 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, John Stanley wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >While I hardly think > > > > > > > > > > > >that my survival depends on the sacrifices of the > > military, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Let me clarify, do you mean that you do not respect the > > > > > > > > > veterans who > > > > > > > > > > >have served and sometimes died for the Untied States? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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