::sigh:: The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to the guy. But ok, think what you like. Have a croissant.
Dana On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:48:45 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No in other words if you know people are going to be gunning for you > don't > give them a reason to make them get you. Don't break the rules if he > hadn't > he'd be fine nobody really to blame for the situation starting but > himself. > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:23 AM > Subject: Re: A good american > > >> I just saw this. I think you aren't thinking before you write. A Chinese >> scientist was singled out, possibly because he is Chinese. Subsequent >> investigation revealed that the problem was facility wide and the >> University of California was fired as administrator. No other scientist >> were charged with espionage let alone spent a year in jail. I have no >> idea >> whether he is suing or not; I just think he got a raw deal. There is > little >> point in nitpicking over this one case since neither one of us is >> looking >> up the details; my point is, there is at least a distinct possibility >> that >> as he always maintained, he had no contact with the Chinese government, > and >> was merely a little sloppy like every other one of the several thousand >> employees of the facility, not one of whom was also jailed. >> >> In other words, good thing we didn't shoot him. >> >> Dana >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:14:31 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> > Just because everyone does it is no excuse. When I get caught speeding > do >> > I >> > say..everyone does it.. lol no. >> > >> > Well as I said I've seen reports on both sides of it. He knew the >> rules >> > and >> > he broke the, just because everyone does it doesn't mean you should. >> And >> > he >> > deserves the scrutiny he got for it. IF he wants to sue go for it if >> not >> > well that's on him. >> > >> > >> > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > good >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > off!" >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:42 PM >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> > >> > >> >> AFAIK he did nothing worse than take a laptop containing classified > data >> >> out of its prescribed area. It later developed that this was very >> often >> >> done at Los Alamos, and many laptops are just plain lost. UC just >> lost >> >> its >> >> contract to run the place due to slovenly security. >> >> >> >> I don't know if he is suing. I am sure it would not endear him to the > US >> >> government if he did. >> >> >> >> Dana >> >> >> >> William Wheatley writes: >> >> >> >> > Oh well better safe and in jail until its proven if there was > evidence >> > to >> >> > think you were a criminal in the first place. Is he sueing?? If >> they >> > were so >> >> > wrong why doesn't he have his clearance back?? >> >> > >> >> > I mean if it was me i would be pissed i was in jail but i would >> > understand >> >> > they can't let me roam free with national security interests like >> >> that. >> >> > >> >> > He can sue to get his stuff back if it was that unjust. I read on > both >> > sides >> >> > of the story. >> >> > >> >> > He was still lookign rather unsavory maybe he realizes he got off > easy >> > and >> >> > not to push his luck >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I >> was >> > good >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people >> > off!" >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:00 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > suuuure the system worked; the guy spent a year in jail, and I > think >> > he >> >> > > lost his security clearance. Hard to get work as a nuclear > physicist >> >> > > without one. All for something which subsequent investigation >> >> revealed >> > to >> >> > > be SOP at Los Alamos. >> >> > > >> >> > > Dana >> >> > > >> >> > > William Wheatley writes: >> >> > > >> >> > > > Sure thats why you dont summarly shoot them and let them goto >> >> trial >> >> > first. >> >> > > > Now if its wartime and you are a spy well you're dead meat no >> >> trial >> >> > needed >> >> > > > sometimes by law but he was found innocent. System worked.. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, >> I >> >> was >> >> > good >> >> > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts >> >> people >> >> > off!" >> >> > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:33 PM >> >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > I am not really in favor of anyone being shot. A spy in >> wartime >> >> > *might* be >> >> > > > > an exception. However, the scientist I mentioned was accused >> of >> > spying >> >> > for >> >> > > > > China, and later on they dropped all charges except one, >> >> something >> >> > like >> >> > > > > failing to follow proper procedures with classified data. And >> >> this >> > was >> >> > > > > probably because the man had already been on jail almost a > year; >> >> > proper >> >> > > > > procedures were so rarely followed at Los Alamos that the >> >> contract >> > for >> >> > > > > running the place was recently revoked. Point is, sometimes > they >> > are >> >> > wrong >> >> > > > > about "spies" too. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Dana >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > :) >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > I'm a pacifist, I won't ask for anyone to be shot. I'll >> even >> > give >> >> > them >> >> > > > > > the rights they deny other prisoners. >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:17 >> >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > I don't want to talk to the men in black this week. >> >> Therefore >> >> > > > > > > I have to disagree with you. If we were talking about >> other >> >> > > > > > > penalties.... I might not. >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > True, in my opinion Bush and Blair may have both >> betrayed >> > their >> >> > > > > > > > respective countries by deceiving the population. >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:03 >> >> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > I suspect that "those who would betray this country" > has >> >> a >> >> > > > > > > > > lot of room in it for argument. I am pretty sure that > if >> >> I >> >> > > > > > > > > agreed with you on the statement, you and I would not > be >> >> > > > > > > > > agreeing on who should be shot. So that throws up a > huge >> >> > > > > > > > > caution flag in my opinion. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > Dana >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > John Stanley writes: >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Not at all. Those who would betray this country > should >> > be >> >> > > > > > > > > shot. Those >> >> > > > > > > > > > who serve valiantly this country deserve our >> respect >> >> and >> >> > > > > > > > > > admiration. >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:55 AM >> >> > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Let me put it this way, the sort of belief that >> >> deifies >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans etc >> >> > > > > > > > > > is as >> >> > > > > > > > > > dangerous as those who would gladly betray this >> >> country. >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > At 09:35 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, John Stanley wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >While I hardly think >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >that my survival depends on the sacrifices of >> the >> >> > military, >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >Let me clarify, do you mean that you do not >> respect >> >> the >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans who >> >> > > > > > > > > > >have served and sometimes died for the Untied > States? >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. 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