See there you go :) Don't break the law and you won't have to worry as much.
Hell i realize i could goto jail for spending so if it happens i can't very well complain they threw me in jail because i knew i was breaking a law that is there for a reason. :> "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:04 PM Subject: Re: A good american > OK... actually that does contain a *glimmer* of sense. You can lose your > mind that way though, trying to imagine everything that someone *might* > dime you for. Don't yeall at your kids -- someone might call cps. Don't > chain your dog outside -- someone might call the humane society. Don't talk > about your taxes -- someone might turn you in for not paying your full > complement of Social Security. Don't let your parking meter run out.... I > mean, how was he supposed to imagine that someone would accuse him of > spying? And on a social level not a group level it's not really fair to > have one guy over here accused of spying for the Chinese (presumably > because he is Chinese) and in solitary confinement for months on end, while > other people walk around unhampered... is it? > > Dana > > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:52:24 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Ok and if he hadn't broken rules that were not really ever enforced he > > wouldn't be in trouble. > > > > Its a prime example of why not to break rules even if everyone else does. > > > > > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 11:58 AM > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > >> Bill. Please tell me what you think peer pressure has to do with this? > >> The > >> guy was accused of espionage and the government later says whoops we are > >> sorry and released him. > >> The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to him. Are we even > >> talking about the same case?? > >> > >> Dana > >> > >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:34:41 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > :) If he hadn't broken the rules do you think he would have been in > >> > trouble?? > >> > > >> > Sucks to be him but i bet hes been saying if i hadn't given into peer > >> > pressure to break the rules i wouldn't have been screwed. LOL > >> > > >> > > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > > good > >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > > off!" > >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:06 PM > >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > > >> > > >> >> ::sigh:: The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to the > >> guy. > >> >> But > >> >> ok, think what you like. Have a croissant. > >> >> > >> >> Dana > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:48:45 -0400, William Wheatley > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > No in other words if you know people are going to be gunning for > >> you > >> >> > don't > >> >> > give them a reason to make them get you. Don't break the rules if > >> he > >> >> > hadn't > >> >> > he'd be fine nobody really to blame for the situation starting but > >> >> > himself. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I > >> was > >> > good > >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > >> > off!" > >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:23 AM > >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> I just saw this. I think you aren't thinking before you write. A > >> > Chinese > >> >> >> scientist was singled out, possibly because he is Chinese. > > Subsequent > >> >> >> investigation revealed that the problem was facility wide and the > >> >> >> University of California was fired as administrator. No other > >> >> scientist > >> >> >> were charged with espionage let alone spent a year in jail. I have > > no > >> >> >> idea > >> >> >> whether he is suing or not; I just think he got a raw deal. There > >> is > >> >> > little > >> >> >> point in nitpicking over this one case since neither one of us is > >> >> >> looking > >> >> >> up the details; my point is, there is at least a distinct > > possibility > >> >> >> that > >> >> >> as he always maintained, he had no contact with the Chinese > >> >> government, > >> >> > and > >> >> >> was merely a little sloppy like every other one of the several > >> >> thousand > >> >> >> employees of the facility, not one of whom was also jailed. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> In other words, good thing we didn't shoot him. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dana > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:14:31 -0400, William Wheatley > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Just because everyone does it is no excuse. When I get caught > >> > speeding > >> >> > do > >> >> >> > I > >> >> >> > say..everyone does it.. lol no. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Well as I said I've seen reports on both sides of it. He knew > >> the > >> >> >> rules > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> > he broke the, just because everyone does it doesn't mean you > >> >> should. > >> >> >> And > >> >> >> > he > >> >> >> > deserves the scrutiny he got for it. IF he wants to sue go for > >> it > >> >> if > >> >> >> not > >> >> >> > well that's on him. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I > >> >> was > >> >> > good > >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > > people > >> >> > off!" > >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:42 PM > >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> AFAIK he did nothing worse than take a laptop containing > >> >> classified > >> >> > data > >> >> >> >> out of its prescribed area. It later developed that this was > >> very > >> >> >> often > >> >> >> >> done at Los Alamos, and many laptops are just plain lost. UC > >> just > >> >> >> lost > >> >> >> >> its > >> >> >> >> contract to run the place due to slovenly security. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I don't know if he is suing. I am sure it would not endear him > >> to > >> > the > >> >> > US > >> >> >> >> government if he did. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Dana > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> William Wheatley writes: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Oh well better safe and in jail until its proven if there was > >> >> > evidence > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> >> > think you were a criminal in the first place. Is he sueing?? > >> If > >> >> >> they > >> >> >> > were so > >> >> >> >> > wrong why doesn't he have his clearance back?? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > I mean if it was me i would be pissed i was in jail but i > >> would > >> >> >> > understand > >> >> >> >> > they can't let me roam free with national security interests > >> >> like > >> >> >> >> that. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > He can sue to get his stuff back if it was that unjust. I > >> read > >> >> on > >> >> > both > >> >> >> > sides > >> >> >> >> > of the story. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > He was still lookign rather unsavory maybe he realizes he got > >> >> off > >> >> > easy > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> > not to push his luck > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. > >> Sure, > > I > >> >> >> was > >> >> >> > good > >> >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > >> > people > >> >> >> > off!" > >> >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" > >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:00 PM > >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > suuuure the system worked; the guy spent a year in jail, > >> and > > I > >> >> > think > >> >> >> > he > >> >> >> >> > > lost his security clearance. Hard to get work as a nuclear > >> >> > physicist > >> >> >> >> > > without one. All for something which subsequent > >> investigation > >> >> >> >> revealed > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> >> > > be SOP at Los Alamos. > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > Dana > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > William Wheatley writes: > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > Sure thats why you dont summarly shoot them and let them > >> >> goto > >> >> >> >> trial > >> >> >> >> > first. > >> >> >> >> > > > Now if its wartime and you are a spy well you're dead > >> meat > >> >> no > >> >> >> >> trial > >> >> >> >> > needed > >> >> >> >> > > > sometimes by law but he was found innocent. System > >> worked.. > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. > >> >> Sure, > >> >> >> I > >> >> >> >> was > >> >> >> >> > good > >> >> >> >> > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it > > puts > >> >> >> >> people > >> >> >> >> > off!" > >> >> >> >> > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dana Tierney" > >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:33 PM > >> >> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > I am not really in favor of anyone being shot. A spy in > >> >> >> wartime > >> >> >> >> > *might* be > >> >> >> >> > > > > an exception. However, the scientist I mentioned was > >> >> accused > >> >> >> of > >> >> >> > spying > >> >> >> >> > for > >> >> >> >> > > > > China, and later on they dropped all charges except > >> one, > >> >> >> >> something > >> >> >> >> > like > >> >> >> >> > > > > failing to follow proper procedures with classified > >> data. > >> > And > >> >> >> >> this > >> >> >> > was > >> >> >> >> > > > > probably because the man had already been on jail > >> almost > > a > >> >> > year; > >> >> >> >> > proper > >> >> >> >> > > > > procedures were so rarely followed at Los Alamos that > >> the > >> >> >> >> contract > >> >> >> > for > >> >> >> >> > > > > running the place was recently revoked. Point is, > >> >> sometimes > >> >> > they > >> >> >> > are > >> >> >> >> > wrong > >> >> >> >> > > > > about "spies" too. > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > Dana > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > :) > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > I'm a pacifist, I won't ask for anyone to be shot. > >> I'll > >> >> >> even > >> >> >> > give > >> >> >> >> > them > >> >> >> >> > > > > > the rights they deny other prisoners. > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:17 > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I don't want to talk to the men in black this week. > >> >> >> >> Therefore > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I have to disagree with you. If we were talking > >> about > >> >> >> other > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > penalties.... I might not. > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > True, in my opinion Bush and Blair may have both > >> >> >> betrayed > >> >> >> > their > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > respective countries by deceiving the population. > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:03 > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > I suspect that "those who would betray this > >> >> country" > >> >> > has > >> >> >> >> a > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > lot of room in it for argument. I am pretty > >> sure > >> > that > >> >> > if > >> >> >> >> I > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreed with you on the statement, you and I > >> would > >> > not > >> >> > be > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreeing on who should be shot. So that throws > >> up > >> >> a > >> >> > huge > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > caution flag in my opinion. > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Dana > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > John Stanley writes: > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Not at all. Those who would betray this > >> country > >> >> > should > >> >> >> > be > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > shot. Those > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > who serve valiantly this country deserve our > >> >> >> respect > >> >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > admiration. > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:55 AM > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Let me put it this way, the sort of belief > >> that > >> >> >> >> deifies > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans etc > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > is as > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > dangerous as those who would gladly betray > >> this > >> >> >> >> country. > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > At 09:35 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, John Stanley > > wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >While I hardly think > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >that my survival depends on the sacrifices > > of > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> > military, > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >Let me clarify, do you mean that you do not > >> >> >> respect > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans who > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >have served and sometimes died for the > >> Untied > >> >> > States? > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. 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