:) If he hadn't broken the rules do you think he would have been in trouble??
Sucks to be him but i bet hes been saying if i hadn't given into peer pressure to break the rules i wouldn't have been screwed. LOL "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:06 PM Subject: Re: A good american > ::sigh:: The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to the guy. But > ok, think what you like. Have a croissant. > > Dana > > On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:48:45 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > No in other words if you know people are going to be gunning for you > > don't > > give them a reason to make them get you. Don't break the rules if he > > hadn't > > he'd be fine nobody really to blame for the situation starting but > > himself. > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:23 AM > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > >> I just saw this. I think you aren't thinking before you write. A Chinese > >> scientist was singled out, possibly because he is Chinese. Subsequent > >> investigation revealed that the problem was facility wide and the > >> University of California was fired as administrator. No other scientist > >> were charged with espionage let alone spent a year in jail. I have no > >> idea > >> whether he is suing or not; I just think he got a raw deal. There is > > little > >> point in nitpicking over this one case since neither one of us is > >> looking > >> up the details; my point is, there is at least a distinct possibility > >> that > >> as he always maintained, he had no contact with the Chinese government, > > and > >> was merely a little sloppy like every other one of the several thousand > >> employees of the facility, not one of whom was also jailed. > >> > >> In other words, good thing we didn't shoot him. > >> > >> Dana > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:14:31 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Just because everyone does it is no excuse. When I get caught speeding > > do > >> > I > >> > say..everyone does it.. lol no. > >> > > >> > Well as I said I've seen reports on both sides of it. He knew the > >> rules > >> > and > >> > he broke the, just because everyone does it doesn't mean you should. > >> And > >> > he > >> > deserves the scrutiny he got for it. IF he wants to sue go for it if > >> not > >> > well that's on him. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > > good > >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > > off!" > >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:42 PM > >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > > >> > > >> >> AFAIK he did nothing worse than take a laptop containing classified > > data > >> >> out of its prescribed area. It later developed that this was very > >> often > >> >> done at Los Alamos, and many laptops are just plain lost. UC just > >> lost > >> >> its > >> >> contract to run the place due to slovenly security. > >> >> > >> >> I don't know if he is suing. I am sure it would not endear him to the > > US > >> >> government if he did. > >> >> > >> >> Dana > >> >> > >> >> William Wheatley writes: > >> >> > >> >> > Oh well better safe and in jail until its proven if there was > > evidence > >> > to > >> >> > think you were a criminal in the first place. Is he sueing?? If > >> they > >> > were so > >> >> > wrong why doesn't he have his clearance back?? > >> >> > > >> >> > I mean if it was me i would be pissed i was in jail but i would > >> > understand > >> >> > they can't let me roam free with national security interests like > >> >> that. > >> >> > > >> >> > He can sue to get his stuff back if it was that unjust. I read on > > both > >> > sides > >> >> > of the story. > >> >> > > >> >> > He was still lookign rather unsavory maybe he realizes he got off > > easy > >> > and > >> >> > not to push his luck > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I > >> was > >> > good > >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > >> > off!" > >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:00 PM > >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > suuuure the system worked; the guy spent a year in jail, and I > > think > >> > he > >> >> > > lost his security clearance. Hard to get work as a nuclear > > physicist > >> >> > > without one. All for something which subsequent investigation > >> >> revealed > >> > to > >> >> > > be SOP at Los Alamos. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Dana > >> >> > > > >> >> > > William Wheatley writes: > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Sure thats why you dont summarly shoot them and let them goto > >> >> trial > >> >> > first. > >> >> > > > Now if its wartime and you are a spy well you're dead meat no > >> >> trial > >> >> > needed > >> >> > > > sometimes by law but he was found innocent. System worked.. > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, > >> I > >> >> was > >> >> > good > >> >> > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > >> >> people > >> >> > off!" > >> >> > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dana Tierney" > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:33 PM > >> >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > I am not really in favor of anyone being shot. A spy in > >> wartime > >> >> > *might* be > >> >> > > > > an exception. However, the scientist I mentioned was accused > >> of > >> > spying > >> >> > for > >> >> > > > > China, and later on they dropped all charges except one, > >> >> something > >> >> > like > >> >> > > > > failing to follow proper procedures with classified data. And > >> >> this > >> > was > >> >> > > > > probably because the man had already been on jail almost a > > year; > >> >> > proper > >> >> > > > > procedures were so rarely followed at Los Alamos that the > >> >> contract > >> > for > >> >> > > > > running the place was recently revoked. Point is, sometimes > > they > >> > are > >> >> > wrong > >> >> > > > > about "spies" too. > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > Dana > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > :) > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > I'm a pacifist, I won't ask for anyone to be shot. I'll > >> even > >> > give > >> >> > them > >> >> > > > > > the rights they deny other prisoners. > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:17 > >> >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > I don't want to talk to the men in black this week. > >> >> Therefore > >> >> > > > > > > I have to disagree with you. If we were talking about > >> other > >> >> > > > > > > penalties.... I might not. > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > True, in my opinion Bush and Blair may have both > >> betrayed > >> > their > >> >> > > > > > > > respective countries by deceiving the population. > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > > > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> > > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:03 > >> >> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > I suspect that "those who would betray this country" > > has > >> >> a > >> >> > > > > > > > > lot of room in it for argument. I am pretty sure that > > if > >> >> I > >> >> > > > > > > > > agreed with you on the statement, you and I would not > > be > >> >> > > > > > > > > agreeing on who should be shot. So that throws up a > > huge > >> >> > > > > > > > > caution flag in my opinion. > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > Dana > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > John Stanley writes: > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Not at all. Those who would betray this country > > should > >> > be > >> >> > > > > > > > > shot. Those > >> >> > > > > > > > > > who serve valiantly this country deserve our > >> respect > >> >> and > >> >> > > > > > > > > > admiration. > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > > > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:55 AM > >> >> > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Let me put it this way, the sort of belief that > >> >> deifies > >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans etc > >> >> > > > > > > > > > is as > >> >> > > > > > > > > > dangerous as those who would gladly betray this > >> >> country. > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > At 09:35 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, John Stanley wrote: > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >While I hardly think > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >that my survival depends on the sacrifices of > >> the > >> >> > military, > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >Let me clarify, do you mean that you do not > >> respect > >> >> the > >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans who > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >have served and sometimes died for the Untied > > States? > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. 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