despite my determination to end this thread I find myself compelled to ask just how you would wind up in jail for spending?
Dana On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:11:48 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > See there you go :) Don't break the law and you won't have to worry as > much. > > Hell i realize i could goto jail for spending so if it happens i can't > very > well complain they threw me in jail because i knew i was breaking a law > that > is there for a reason. > > :> > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: A good american > > >> OK... actually that does contain a *glimmer* of sense. You can lose your >> mind that way though, trying to imagine everything that someone *might* >> dime you for. Don't yeall at your kids -- someone might call cps. Don't >> chain your dog outside -- someone might call the humane society. Don't > talk >> about your taxes -- someone might turn you in for not paying your full >> complement of Social Security. Don't let your parking meter run out.... >> I >> mean, how was he supposed to imagine that someone would accuse him of >> spying? And on a social level not a group level it's not really fair to >> have one guy over here accused of spying for the Chinese (presumably >> because he is Chinese) and in solitary confinement for months on end, > while >> other people walk around unhampered... is it? >> >> Dana >> >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:52:24 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> > Ok and if he hadn't broken rules that were not really ever enforced he >> > wouldn't be in trouble. >> > >> > Its a prime example of why not to break rules even if everyone else > does. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > good >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > off!" >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 11:58 AM >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> > >> > >> >> Bill. Please tell me what you think peer pressure has to do with >> this? >> >> The >> >> guy was accused of espionage and the government later says whoops we > are >> >> sorry and released him. >> >> The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to him. Are we even >> >> talking about the same case?? >> >> >> >> Dana >> >> >> >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:34:41 -0400, William Wheatley >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > :) If he hadn't broken the rules do you think he would have been in >> >> > trouble?? >> >> > >> >> > Sucks to be him but i bet hes been saying if i hadn't given into >> peer >> >> > pressure to break the rules i wouldn't have been screwed. LOL >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I >> was >> > good >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people >> > off!" >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:06 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> ::sigh:: The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to the >> >> guy. >> >> >> But >> >> >> ok, think what you like. Have a croissant. >> >> >> >> >> >> Dana >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:48:45 -0400, William Wheatley >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > No in other words if you know people are going to be gunning for >> >> you >> >> >> > don't >> >> >> > give them a reason to make them get you. Don't break the rules >> if >> >> he >> >> >> > hadn't >> >> >> > he'd be fine nobody really to blame for the situation starting >> but >> >> >> > himself. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I >> >> was >> >> > good >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > people >> >> > off!" >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:23 AM >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I just saw this. I think you aren't thinking before you write. >> A >> >> > Chinese >> >> >> >> scientist was singled out, possibly because he is Chinese. >> > Subsequent >> >> >> >> investigation revealed that the problem was facility wide and >> the >> >> >> >> University of California was fired as administrator. No other >> >> >> scientist >> >> >> >> were charged with espionage let alone spent a year in jail. I > have >> > no >> >> >> >> idea >> >> >> >> whether he is suing or not; I just think he got a raw deal. >> There >> >> is >> >> >> > little >> >> >> >> point in nitpicking over this one case since neither one of us >> is >> >> >> >> looking >> >> >> >> up the details; my point is, there is at least a distinct >> > possibility >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> as he always maintained, he had no contact with the Chinese >> >> >> government, >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> was merely a little sloppy like every other one of the several >> >> >> thousand >> >> >> >> employees of the facility, not one of whom was also jailed. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In other words, good thing we didn't shoot him. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dana >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:14:31 -0400, William Wheatley >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Just because everyone does it is no excuse. When I get caught >> >> > speeding >> >> >> > do >> >> >> >> > I >> >> >> >> > say..everyone does it.. lol no. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Well as I said I've seen reports on both sides of it. He knew >> >> the >> >> >> >> rules >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> > he broke the, just because everyone does it doesn't mean you >> >> >> should. >> >> >> >> And >> >> >> >> > he >> >> >> >> > deserves the scrutiny he got for it. IF he wants to sue go >> for >> >> it >> >> >> if >> >> >> >> not >> >> >> >> > well that's on him. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. >> Sure, > I >> >> >> was >> >> >> > good >> >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts >> > people >> >> >> > off!" >> >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:42 PM >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> AFAIK he did nothing worse than take a laptop containing >> >> >> classified >> >> >> > data >> >> >> >> >> out of its prescribed area. It later developed that this was >> >> very >> >> >> >> often >> >> >> >> >> done at Los Alamos, and many laptops are just plain lost. UC >> >> just >> >> >> >> lost >> >> >> >> >> its >> >> >> >> >> contract to run the place due to slovenly security. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't know if he is suing. I am sure it would not endear >> him >> >> to >> >> > the >> >> >> > US >> >> >> >> >> government if he did. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dana >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> William Wheatley writes: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Oh well better safe and in jail until its proven if there > was >> >> >> > evidence >> >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> >> > think you were a criminal in the first place. Is he >> sueing?? >> >> If >> >> >> >> they >> >> >> >> > were so >> >> >> >> >> > wrong why doesn't he have his clearance back?? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > I mean if it was me i would be pissed i was in jail but i >> >> would >> >> >> >> > understand >> >> >> >> >> > they can't let me roam free with national security >> interests >> >> >> like >> >> >> >> >> that. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > He can sue to get his stuff back if it was that unjust. I >> >> read >> >> >> on >> >> >> > both >> >> >> >> > sides >> >> >> >> >> > of the story. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > He was still lookign rather unsavory maybe he realizes he > got >> >> >> off >> >> >> > easy >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> >> > not to push his luck >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. >> >> Sure, >> > I >> >> >> >> was >> >> >> >> > good >> >> >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it >> puts >> >> > people >> >> >> >> > off!" >> >> >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:00 PM >> >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > suuuure the system worked; the guy spent a year in jail, >> >> and >> > I >> >> >> > think >> >> >> >> > he >> >> >> >> >> > > lost his security clearance. Hard to get work as a >> nuclear >> >> >> > physicist >> >> >> >> >> > > without one. All for something which subsequent >> >> investigation >> >> >> >> >> revealed >> >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> >> > > be SOP at Los Alamos. >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > Dana >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > William Wheatley writes: >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > Sure thats why you dont summarly shoot them and let >> them >> >> >> goto >> >> >> >> >> trial >> >> >> >> >> > first. >> >> >> >> >> > > > Now if its wartime and you are a spy well you're dead >> >> meat >> >> >> no >> >> >> >> >> trial >> >> >> >> >> > needed >> >> >> >> >> > > > sometimes by law but he was found innocent. System >> >> worked.. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no >> skills. >> >> >> Sure, >> >> >> >> I >> >> >> >> >> was >> >> >> >> >> > good >> >> >> >> >> > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - >> it >> > puts >> >> >> >> >> people >> >> >> >> >> > off!" >> >> >> >> >> > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> >> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dana >> Tierney" >> >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:33 PM >> >> >> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > I am not really in favor of anyone being shot. A spy > in >> >> >> >> wartime >> >> >> >> >> > *might* be >> >> >> >> >> > > > > an exception. However, the scientist I mentioned was >> >> >> accused >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> > spying >> >> >> >> >> > for >> >> >> >> >> > > > > China, and later on they dropped all charges except >> >> one, >> >> >> >> >> something >> >> >> >> >> > like >> >> >> >> >> > > > > failing to follow proper procedures with classified >> >> data. >> >> > And >> >> >> >> >> this >> >> >> >> > was >> >> >> >> >> > > > > probably because the man had already been on jail >> >> almost >> > a >> >> >> > year; >> >> >> >> >> > proper >> >> >> >> >> > > > > procedures were so rarely followed at Los Alamos >> that >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> contract >> >> >> >> > for >> >> >> >> >> > > > > running the place was recently revoked. Point is, >> >> >> sometimes >> >> >> > they >> >> >> >> > are >> >> >> >> >> > wrong >> >> >> >> >> > > > > about "spies" too. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > Dana >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > :) >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > I'm a pacifist, I won't ask for anyone to be shot. >> >> I'll >> >> >> >> even >> >> >> >> > give >> >> >> >> >> > them >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > the rights they deny other prisoners. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:17 >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I don't want to talk to the men in black this > week. >> >> >> >> >> Therefore >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I have to disagree with you. If we were talking >> >> about >> >> >> >> other >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > penalties.... I might not. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > True, in my opinion Bush and Blair may have >> both >> >> >> >> betrayed >> >> >> >> > their >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > respective countries by deceiving the > population. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:03 >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > I suspect that "those who would betray this >> >> >> country" >> >> >> > has >> >> >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > lot of room in it for argument. I am pretty >> >> sure >> >> > that >> >> >> > if >> >> >> >> >> I >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreed with you on the statement, you and I >> >> would >> >> > not >> >> >> > be >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreeing on who should be shot. So that >> throws >> >> up >> >> >> a >> >> >> > huge >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > caution flag in my opinion. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Dana >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > John Stanley writes: >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Not at all. Those who would betray this >> >> country >> >> >> > should >> >> >> >> > be >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > shot. Those >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > who serve valiantly this country deserve >> our >> >> >> >> respect >> >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > admiration. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons >> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:55 AM >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Let me put it this way, the sort of belief >> >> that >> >> >> >> >> deifies >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans etc >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > is as >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > dangerous as those who would gladly betray >> >> this >> >> >> >> >> country. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > At 09:35 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, John Stanley >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >While I hardly think >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >that my survival depends on the > sacrifices >> > of >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> > military, >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >Let me clarify, do you mean that you do >> not >> >> >> >> respect >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans who >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >have served and sometimes died for the >> >> Untied >> >> >> > States? >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. 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