No in other words if you know people are going to be gunning for you don't give them a reason to make them get you. Don't break the rules if he hadn't he'd be fine nobody really to blame for the situation starting but himself.
"When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:23 AM Subject: Re: A good american > I just saw this. I think you aren't thinking before you write. A Chinese > scientist was singled out, possibly because he is Chinese. Subsequent > investigation revealed that the problem was facility wide and the > University of California was fired as administrator. No other scientist > were charged with espionage let alone spent a year in jail. I have no idea > whether he is suing or not; I just think he got a raw deal. There is little > point in nitpicking over this one case since neither one of us is looking > up the details; my point is, there is at least a distinct possibility that > as he always maintained, he had no contact with the Chinese government, and > was merely a little sloppy like every other one of the several thousand > employees of the facility, not one of whom was also jailed. > > In other words, good thing we didn't shoot him. > > Dana > > > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:14:31 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Just because everyone does it is no excuse. When I get caught speeding do > > I > > say..everyone does it.. lol no. > > > > Well as I said I've seen reports on both sides of it. He knew the rules > > and > > he broke the, just because everyone does it doesn't mean you should. And > > he > > deserves the scrutiny he got for it. IF he wants to sue go for it if not > > well that's on him. > > > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:42 PM > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > >> AFAIK he did nothing worse than take a laptop containing classified data > >> out of its prescribed area. It later developed that this was very often > >> done at Los Alamos, and many laptops are just plain lost. UC just lost > >> its > >> contract to run the place due to slovenly security. > >> > >> I don't know if he is suing. I am sure it would not endear him to the US > >> government if he did. > >> > >> Dana > >> > >> William Wheatley writes: > >> > >> > Oh well better safe and in jail until its proven if there was evidence > > to > >> > think you were a criminal in the first place. Is he sueing?? If they > > were so > >> > wrong why doesn't he have his clearance back?? > >> > > >> > I mean if it was me i would be pissed i was in jail but i would > > understand > >> > they can't let me roam free with national security interests like > >> that. > >> > > >> > He can sue to get his stuff back if it was that unjust. I read on both > > sides > >> > of the story. > >> > > >> > He was still lookign rather unsavory maybe he realizes he got off easy > > and > >> > not to push his luck > >> > > >> > > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > > good > >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > > off!" > >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:00 PM > >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > > >> > > >> > > suuuure the system worked; the guy spent a year in jail, and I think > > he > >> > > lost his security clearance. Hard to get work as a nuclear physicist > >> > > without one. All for something which subsequent investigation > >> revealed > > to > >> > > be SOP at Los Alamos. > >> > > > >> > > Dana > >> > > > >> > > William Wheatley writes: > >> > > > >> > > > Sure thats why you dont summarly shoot them and let them goto > >> trial > >> > first. > >> > > > Now if its wartime and you are a spy well you're dead meat no > >> trial > >> > needed > >> > > > sometimes by law but he was found innocent. System worked.. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I > >> was > >> > good > >> > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > >> people > >> > off!" > >> > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dana Tierney" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:33 PM > >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > I am not really in favor of anyone being shot. A spy in wartime > >> > *might* be > >> > > > > an exception. However, the scientist I mentioned was accused of > > spying > >> > for > >> > > > > China, and later on they dropped all charges except one, > >> something > >> > like > >> > > > > failing to follow proper procedures with classified data. And > >> this > > was > >> > > > > probably because the man had already been on jail almost a year; > >> > proper > >> > > > > procedures were so rarely followed at Los Alamos that the > >> contract > > for > >> > > > > running the place was recently revoked. Point is, sometimes they > > are > >> > wrong > >> > > > > about "spies" too. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Dana > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > :) > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I'm a pacifist, I won't ask for anyone to be shot. I'll even > > give > >> > them > >> > > > > > the rights they deny other prisoners. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:17 > >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I don't want to talk to the men in black this week. > >> Therefore > >> > > > > > > I have to disagree with you. If we were talking about other > >> > > > > > > penalties.... I might not. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > True, in my opinion Bush and Blair may have both betrayed > > their > >> > > > > > > > respective countries by deceiving the population. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:03 > >> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I suspect that "those who would betray this country" has > >> a > >> > > > > > > > > lot of room in it for argument. I am pretty sure that if > >> I > >> > > > > > > > > agreed with you on the statement, you and I would not be > >> > > > > > > > > agreeing on who should be shot. So that throws up a huge > >> > > > > > > > > caution flag in my opinion. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dana > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > John Stanley writes: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Not at all. Those who would betray this country should > > be > >> > > > > > > > > shot. Those > >> > > > > > > > > > who serve valiantly this country deserve our respect > >> and > >> > > > > > > > > > admiration. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:55 AM > >> > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Let me put it this way, the sort of belief that > >> deifies > >> > > > > > > > > veterans etc > >> > > > > > > > > > is as > >> > > > > > > > > > dangerous as those who would gladly betray this > >> country. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > At 09:35 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, John Stanley wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > >While I hardly think > >> > > > > > > > > > > >that my survival depends on the sacrifices of the > >> > military, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >Let me clarify, do you mean that you do not respect > >> the > >> > > > > > > > > veterans who > >> > > > > > > > > > >have served and sometimes died for the Untied States? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
