OK... actually that does contain a *glimmer* of sense. You can lose your mind that way though, trying to imagine everything that someone *might* dime you for. Don't yeall at your kids -- someone might call cps. Don't chain your dog outside -- someone might call the humane society. Don't talk about your taxes -- someone might turn you in for not paying your full complement of Social Security. Don't let your parking meter run out.... I mean, how was he supposed to imagine that someone would accuse him of spying? And on a social level not a group level it's not really fair to have one guy over here accused of spying for the Chinese (presumably because he is Chinese) and in solitary confinement for months on end, while other people walk around unhampered... is it?
Dana On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:52:24 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok and if he hadn't broken rules that were not really ever enforced he > wouldn't be in trouble. > > Its a prime example of why not to break rules even if everyone else does. > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 11:58 AM > Subject: Re: A good american > > >> Bill. Please tell me what you think peer pressure has to do with this? >> The >> guy was accused of espionage and the government later says whoops we are >> sorry and released him. >> The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to him. Are we even >> talking about the same case?? >> >> Dana >> >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:34:41 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> > :) If he hadn't broken the rules do you think he would have been in >> > trouble?? >> > >> > Sucks to be him but i bet hes been saying if i hadn't given into peer >> > pressure to break the rules i wouldn't have been screwed. LOL >> > >> > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > good >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > off!" >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:06 PM >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> > >> > >> >> ::sigh:: The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to the >> guy. >> >> But >> >> ok, think what you like. Have a croissant. >> >> >> >> Dana >> >> >> >> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:48:45 -0400, William Wheatley >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > No in other words if you know people are going to be gunning for >> you >> >> > don't >> >> > give them a reason to make them get you. Don't break the rules if >> he >> >> > hadn't >> >> > he'd be fine nobody really to blame for the situation starting but >> >> > himself. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I >> was >> > good >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people >> > off!" >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:23 AM >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> I just saw this. I think you aren't thinking before you write. A >> > Chinese >> >> >> scientist was singled out, possibly because he is Chinese. > Subsequent >> >> >> investigation revealed that the problem was facility wide and the >> >> >> University of California was fired as administrator. No other >> >> scientist >> >> >> were charged with espionage let alone spent a year in jail. I have > no >> >> >> idea >> >> >> whether he is suing or not; I just think he got a raw deal. There >> is >> >> > little >> >> >> point in nitpicking over this one case since neither one of us is >> >> >> looking >> >> >> up the details; my point is, there is at least a distinct > possibility >> >> >> that >> >> >> as he always maintained, he had no contact with the Chinese >> >> government, >> >> > and >> >> >> was merely a little sloppy like every other one of the several >> >> thousand >> >> >> employees of the facility, not one of whom was also jailed. >> >> >> >> >> >> In other words, good thing we didn't shoot him. >> >> >> >> >> >> Dana >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:14:31 -0400, William Wheatley >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Just because everyone does it is no excuse. When I get caught >> > speeding >> >> > do >> >> >> > I >> >> >> > say..everyone does it.. lol no. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Well as I said I've seen reports on both sides of it. He knew >> the >> >> >> rules >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > he broke the, just because everyone does it doesn't mean you >> >> should. >> >> >> And >> >> >> > he >> >> >> > deserves the scrutiny he got for it. IF he wants to sue go for >> it >> >> if >> >> >> not >> >> >> > well that's on him. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I >> >> was >> >> > good >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > people >> >> > off!" >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:42 PM >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> AFAIK he did nothing worse than take a laptop containing >> >> classified >> >> > data >> >> >> >> out of its prescribed area. It later developed that this was >> very >> >> >> often >> >> >> >> done at Los Alamos, and many laptops are just plain lost. UC >> just >> >> >> lost >> >> >> >> its >> >> >> >> contract to run the place due to slovenly security. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't know if he is suing. I am sure it would not endear him >> to >> > the >> >> > US >> >> >> >> government if he did. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dana >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> William Wheatley writes: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Oh well better safe and in jail until its proven if there was >> >> > evidence >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> > think you were a criminal in the first place. Is he sueing?? >> If >> >> >> they >> >> >> > were so >> >> >> >> > wrong why doesn't he have his clearance back?? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I mean if it was me i would be pissed i was in jail but i >> would >> >> >> > understand >> >> >> >> > they can't let me roam free with national security interests >> >> like >> >> >> >> that. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > He can sue to get his stuff back if it was that unjust. I >> read >> >> on >> >> > both >> >> >> > sides >> >> >> >> > of the story. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > He was still lookign rather unsavory maybe he realizes he got >> >> off >> >> > easy >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> > not to push his luck >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. >> Sure, > I >> >> >> was >> >> >> > good >> >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts >> > people >> >> >> > off!" >> >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:00 PM >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > suuuure the system worked; the guy spent a year in jail, >> and > I >> >> > think >> >> >> > he >> >> >> >> > > lost his security clearance. Hard to get work as a nuclear >> >> > physicist >> >> >> >> > > without one. All for something which subsequent >> investigation >> >> >> >> revealed >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> > > be SOP at Los Alamos. >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > Dana >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > William Wheatley writes: >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > > Sure thats why you dont summarly shoot them and let them >> >> goto >> >> >> >> trial >> >> >> >> > first. >> >> >> >> > > > Now if its wartime and you are a spy well you're dead >> meat >> >> no >> >> >> >> trial >> >> >> >> > needed >> >> >> >> > > > sometimes by law but he was found innocent. System >> worked.. >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. >> >> Sure, >> >> >> I >> >> >> >> was >> >> >> >> > good >> >> >> >> > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it > puts >> >> >> >> people >> >> >> >> > off!" >> >> >> >> > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:33 PM >> >> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > I am not really in favor of anyone being shot. A spy in >> >> >> wartime >> >> >> >> > *might* be >> >> >> >> > > > > an exception. However, the scientist I mentioned was >> >> accused >> >> >> of >> >> >> > spying >> >> >> >> > for >> >> >> >> > > > > China, and later on they dropped all charges except >> one, >> >> >> >> something >> >> >> >> > like >> >> >> >> > > > > failing to follow proper procedures with classified >> data. >> > And >> >> >> >> this >> >> >> > was >> >> >> >> > > > > probably because the man had already been on jail >> almost > a >> >> > year; >> >> >> >> > proper >> >> >> >> > > > > procedures were so rarely followed at Los Alamos that >> the >> >> >> >> contract >> >> >> > for >> >> >> >> > > > > running the place was recently revoked. Point is, >> >> sometimes >> >> > they >> >> >> > are >> >> >> >> > wrong >> >> >> >> > > > > about "spies" too. >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > Dana >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > :) >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > I'm a pacifist, I won't ask for anyone to be shot. >> I'll >> >> >> even >> >> >> > give >> >> >> >> > them >> >> >> >> > > > > > the rights they deny other prisoners. >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:17 >> >> >> >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I don't want to talk to the men in black this week. >> >> >> >> Therefore >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I have to disagree with you. If we were talking >> about >> >> >> other >> >> >> >> > > > > > > penalties.... I might not. >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > True, in my opinion Bush and Blair may have both >> >> >> betrayed >> >> >> > their >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > respective countries by deceiving the population. >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:03 >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > I suspect that "those who would betray this >> >> country" >> >> > has >> >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > lot of room in it for argument. I am pretty >> sure >> > that >> >> > if >> >> >> >> I >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreed with you on the statement, you and I >> would >> > not >> >> > be >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreeing on who should be shot. So that throws >> up >> >> a >> >> > huge >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > caution flag in my opinion. >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Dana >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > John Stanley writes: >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Not at all. Those who would betray this >> country >> >> > should >> >> >> > be >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > shot. Those >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > who serve valiantly this country deserve our >> >> >> respect >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > admiration. >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:55 AM >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Let me put it this way, the sort of belief >> that >> >> >> >> deifies >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans etc >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > is as >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > dangerous as those who would gladly betray >> this >> >> >> >> country. >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > At 09:35 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, John Stanley > wrote: >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >While I hardly think >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >that my survival depends on the sacrifices > of >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> > military, >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >Let me clarify, do you mean that you do not >> >> >> respect >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans who >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >have served and sometimes died for the >> Untied >> >> > States? >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
