Mike -
I fully agree with you that the person doing the tech screen should be
another tech. Our HR department is always asking me to furnish them with a
list of tech questions and answers for prospective candidates. I keep
refusing. As far as not asking the CCIE questions, I must disagree. While
I value the CCIE as I aspire to obtain mine one day, I would still put them
through a tech screen. I wouldn't disrespect them by asking them things
such as "at what level of the osi model does routing happen", but I would
make sure that there skill sets are compatible with what we are looking for.
For example, If I was an ISP looking for a CCIE, I would make sure that they
knew BGP inside and out. Hypothetically, what if a candidate has had their
CCIE for a number of years, but has not worked at a shop where they are
required to use BGP skills (like I said, Hypothetically). They may have
their CCIE, but I wont know if their skill set is aligned with the skill set
I need without a tech screen.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Michael L. Williams
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:27 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Interview Question - OSPF
>
>
> A tech screening is one thing. And if the person asking the techincal
> questions is a techincal person, that's fine too. That allows an
> intelligent conversation to start between the two techincal
> people, and the
> person doing the asking will get a good feel for what the interviewee
> knows........ Having said that, too many places have their goons from HR
> that don't know technical squat to come and give a "technical
> screening"......... That's crazy. It happens way too often, especially in
> gov't jobs.
>
> You said "If I am hiring a CCIE, he better know his stuff. Other then the
> certs, how do you suggest I check on his knowledge." Although I realize
> that many times people can get "paper certs" without truly
> understanding the
> what it's about, I'd be willing to say that CCIE speaks for itself. That
> isn't simply a test you study a month for, and walk in and BAM! you're a
> CCIE. To me if there one one cert (out of all of them) that I
> would accept
> at face value without question, it would be the CCIE. Not to say I would
> ask questions (like you mentioned) to see how a person reacts to a
> situation. But I also agree (with whomever said it) that learning never
> stops, no one can know everything, and most times the people doing the
> techincal questioning aren't technical people....... I've been in that
> spot, where someone that is *not* technical is questioning my techincal
> skills. That kind of crap doesn't need to happen..
>
> My 2 cents.......
>
> Mike W.
>
>
> "Joe Szczepanski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 000701bfcbb2$1b4fe020$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:000701bfcbb2$1b4fe020$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Kurt -
> > Your joking right??? Do you really expect an employer not to put a tech
> > candidate through a tech screening? Just because someone has certs does
> not
> > mean they know what they are doing. Yes, an argument can be made that
> > CCIE's know their stuff. And I would have to agree, but I
> would still put
> > one through a tech screen. As an employer, I need to make sure the
> > candidate knows what I need them to know. If I am hiring a CCIE, he
> better
> > know his stuff. Other then the certs, how do you suggest I check on his
> > knowledge. In addition to finding out if the candidate is
> proficient, the
> > tech screen allows you to put the candidate in a stressful situation and
> see
> > how they react. Sometimes the answers to the questions are not as
> important
> > as the way the candidate reacts to the situation. If I asked someone a
> > similar question, and got your response, I would probably end the
> interview
> > pretty quickly.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > Kurt
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 2:36 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: Interview Question - OSPF
> > >
> > >
> > > I think being questioned like that is obnioxous, and CCIE or
> CCNP should
> > > be enough proof. No one knows everything, and the technology keeps
> > > changing..etc. So the learning never ends...period. And I
> would call him
> > > stupid for running RIP and OSPF on the same network on every
> router, or
> > > I'd tell him it's better to pass all SAPs advertisement on
> every router
> > > too, and let's throw in a few more NETWARE file servers to make a
> > > broadcast farm and bring down the network. hehe
> > >
> > > "Carrico, Robert" wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I believe people analyze these types of questions too much.
> > > >
> > > > I would say "You have to run something besides OSPF and RIP would be
> > > > feasible"
> > > >
> > > > My answer is based on I'm running IP and IPX, so I choose RIP for my
> > > > IPX implementation. What it boils down to is your
> explanation. These
> > > > types of questions are general and a conversation or thread
> can go on
> > > > forever in the different answers. However, not with a HR type that
> > > > has a list of 10 technical questions to ask you. He writes
> down your
> > > > response and explanation and gives it to the technical manager to
> > > > interpret your responses.
> > > >
> > > > The difficult part is you have to be sure to explain how you
> > > > interpreted the question. In most cases the person doing the first
> > > > round interview cannot elaborate on the question because they don't
> > > > necessarily understand the question or know the answer.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: pedro quezada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:17 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: Interview Question - OSPF
> > > >
> > > > Would you think it this way .
> > > > his question was can ospf and rip coexist in the same
> > > > network ?
> > > >
> > > > I would have answered yes; because it is true you can run
> > > > both protocols in
> > > > the same network.
> > > >
> > > > why would you? ????
> > > > .remeber that ospf does support desktop protocols such as
> > > > ipx and appletalk
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > > PQ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > 8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > If they are both advertising the same networks, then you
> > > > are correct.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Dave
> > > > > CCNP/CCDP/CCAI
> > > > > ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> > > > message
> > > > > 8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Hello:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on
> > > > the same network.
> > > > > > I answered that it is possible to overlap
> protocols, but
> > > > it is not
> > > > > > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative
> > > > Distance lower than
> > > > > RIP,
> > > > > > so OSPF will be the procotol in use.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is that a correct answer ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Billy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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