I can appreciate what the senior Microsoft Architect is saying, I'm 22 and
this is the kind of impression alot of older guys are giving me. They don't
say it, but you know it's there.
I believe these people feel threaten by younger people coming up the ranks,
who have been exposed to computers since they were kids. These old guys
probably started their computing career from another field, and switched
careers because of the money. We kids were always into computers because we
loved it, and weren't concerned with monetary rewards.
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> From: Croyle, James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!
> Date: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:30 AM
>
> Don't be disappointed with your CCNP, that's for sure... Just don't
> consider it the end all to getting that job. I started with my company
in
> June 1999 with an MSCE and CCNA, neither of which I attained with work
> experience, one with school, the other self study. I got a job setting
up
> small LANs for scanning projects, and then doing the scanning along with
the
> others! Then, moved UP to the help desk!!! Didn't even start there, is
> what I am getting at. Got promoted in 2 months to help desk supervisor
by
> doing a good job (I think), then moved to engineering team in 6 months to
> help design our new Cisco network because there were only 2 other CCNAs
> around to do it. In June of 2000 I attained my CCNP, with some work
> experience on the equipment and our test lab at work. Now I would
consider
> myself a valuable member of our Network Infrastructure team, but it
didn't
> happen overnight, and even though I wanted it to happen, I really didn't
> expect it to at this company based on where I started.
>
> One more thought. There are those, including a very senior Microsoft
> Architect here, who still say I don't have enough experience to go after
my
> CCIE, that it would not benefit myself, or the company because even if I
> attained it, I would not have enough years of experience to back that
cert.
> Well to him, I said, I am not going to sit around 10 years until I have
your
> experience, I am going to study everyday, and get involved with every
> network problem and design issue I can to gain experience faster in
> troubleshooting methods, and seeing various levels of problems. To that
he
> just shook his head and said with a smile... Kids nowdays.. ;-) By the
> way, I am 32. Not really a kid anymore. hehehehe
>
> HTH
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chris fong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 11:16 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Disappointed with ccnp!!
>
>
> I don't know you personally, but I have some
> suggestions for you to think about. Don't let that
> certification go to your head. If you give the
> impression to an employer that you deserve to have a
> job because of your CCNP, you will not get hired.
> Don't think that you are better than others because of
> your CCNP. Also, your personality and attitude that
> you show during interviews is critical in landing that
> first job. Show that you can be a team player and can
> work well and get along with almost anyone. And
> lastly, consider other entry level positions, such as
> help desk, because you don't have any actual work
> experience. Employers don't really consider "lab" as
> work experience. Hope this helps.
>
> Good luck,
>
>
> --- park jeongwoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi group members.
> > I need your help.
> > I am having a hard time on finding a job.
> > I recently got ccnp certification and looking for
> > the
> > entry level of job for network engineer.
> > I am living in San Francisco, and graduated from
> > college less than a year ago.
> > I have less than a year of network experience that I
> > got from school computer lab.
> > I had a harder time finding a job before I became
> > ccnp. So I studied hard believing that ccnp would
> > get
> > me somewhere at least as a entry level network
> > engineer. Now I am kind of confused and disappointed
> > with the fact that I am still having a hard time
> > finding a job even with ccnp certification.
> > I feel like I need more cisco certifications such as
> > ccda, ccdp.
> > Would these certification ever help me find job?
> > It is really discouraging that cisco certification
> > doesn't help me much find a job at this point,
> > because
> > I am also pursuing ccie too. I have to ask myself
> > what
> > is the point of getting cisco certification.
> > Lots of CCNAs are having a job. Why not ccnp?
> >
> > Could somebody tell me why it goes like this, and
> > what
> > I should do?
> > Am I looking for wrong job?
> >
> > I will appreiciate your input.
> >
> > jeongwoo
> >
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