Hello Hello- I have two of them who sit behind me @ work... Paper Lab guys-
it's the newest craze. They only knew exactly what they were asked on the
lab scenario (passed the first time). Generally- I believe you are right,
but I do have these 2 fellows out of the 4 CCIE's that do not have what it
takes to work in an Enterprise network. One of them is leaving because he
is about to be let go. We call him Mr. Debug, the RSP melter (long story).
But you are- for the most part very correct in your assumption
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Haller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
> I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have noticed
> a recent influx in people attempting and passing CCNP
> and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of
> hundreds of people on this board ...
>
> Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this means
> nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of work and
> is somewhat difficult to achieve, but if that's your
> issue, only interview LAB CERTIFIED CCIE's. There is
> no such thing as a "Paper LAB CCIE" If you pass the
> lab, you know your stuff .. WELL.
>
> HTH
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Adele Galus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Mike;
> >
> > I find your comment very interesting, most positions
> > state how
> > many years of experience before applying. The only
> > exceptions
> > that I have seen with certification positions, is in
> > the programing field.
> > It's not the certification being a problem - it's
> > the resources for
> > people to obtain experience.
> >
> > My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs for
> > people to work in when
> > studying for their certification that are affordable
> > or that it can be obtain.
> > People need to be involved with study groups and
> > they should do volunteer
> > work or try working as a contractor.
> >
> > This problem became obvious when Cisco & Microsoft
> > started programs in
> > San Jose for the welfare people to start becoming
> > certified. Why did they do
> > that!!!!
> >
> > What amazes me is how these people, that you are
> > seeing, have passed the test????
> >
> > my 03 cents worth.
> >
> > respectfully,
> > adele
> >
> > Mike Davis wrote:
> >
> > > I will probably get yelled at for this one but...
> > >
> > > I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the
> > CCIE.
> > > So up front I am not against certs.
> > >
> > > I am becoming aware of more and more people
> > becoming
> > > Cisco certified and not know enough to go and
> > actually
> > > do the work. Our company has and is interviewing
> > for
> > > network folks, I have the opportunity to interview
> > > these people to verify technical experience. I
> > have
> > > had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks
> > who
> > > could not tell me what they 'should' acutally
> > know.
> > >
> > > This scares me because I am also working hard
> > toward
> > > my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven and
> > is
> > > showing up more that these people are becoming
> > "paper"
> > > Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE.
> > >
> > > I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will remain
> > as
> > > difficult if not more so in the future. I for one
> > do
> > > not want to spend a year of my life gaining the
> > CCIE
> > > title to be one among thousands who also have it.
> > >
> > > That is my insite and hope Cisco will
> > > try to make it more difficult to obtain the
> > CCNP/DP
> > > and not become another MCSE program.
> > >
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> Chris from Chicago
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