Manoj
Here - - here, I feel your pain.....adele
Manoj Sekhar wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am really getting fed up with this discussion of paper certification. I read one
>mail
> saying that while interviewing some one, the candidate said that he wanted to
>become a
> network engineer for better pay. Is the this guy became a network engineer for
>serving
> the company and people? Everybody here is trying to make more money for them self
>and
> their family to have a better life by getting better qualified and knowledgeable. The
> certification and study groups and all are only the means for that. First accept this
> truth.
>
> About being paper certified, I am an engineer with more than 8 years experience in
> networking field, but unfortunately I am working with a company who is not dealing
>with
> routers or cisco equipment's. I have experience in modems, muxes, ISDN equipment's,
>and
> supports wide area networks. Now are anyone of you, who is talking about paper
> certification ready to give me a job even at the entry level to work on cisco
>routers if
> I present myself as of now without certifications? I did tried and I didn't even got
>an
> interview call. Now I have some certification and some experience, at least I am
>getting
> some interviews. What I feel is that the certifications shows that the guy knows how
> this stuff works and some idea of how to make it work. It doesn't mean that he knows
>in
> and out of anything. Then it also shows that he is willing to learn and he can pick
>up
> things fast.
>
> Don't think that since you have 10 years experience and the other guy doesn't means
>the
> other guy doesn't worth anything. He may be able to do things which you can't and he
>may
> know things that you don't know. Try to share the knowledge and help him. Without
>giving
> a chance, how anyone going to learn?
>
> Sorry if I hurt anybody's feelings but it doesn't feel write to blame guy's like me
>for
> not having experience. We are trying to get experience and we selected the path to
>get
> there through certification. Since we got certification we don't claim that we are
> better than a guy with experience. We just want to show that we can learn if you
>give us
> a chance.
>
> regards,
> Manoj.
>
> EA Louie wrote:
>
> > some of the certs are like getting a "paper diploma" (which is what I got...
> > heheheh) So, if they are going to take the risk and study for the cert on
> > the hopes that they can get a job using the cert as leverage, more power to
> > them!
> >
> > By virtue of the testing mechanism, the CCNA/CCNP/CCDA/CCDP will be
> > attainable by studying. I work with one now, who has both a CCNP and CCDP,
> > but couldn't reload an erased flash on a 2600 series router... go figure. I
> > was very tempted to ask, "What are those certs really for?", but I just
> > smiled and helped him reload the flash from a tftp server using rommon. (By
> > the way, the variables in rommon on a 2600 are case sensitive :-)
> >
> > When I first started working in industry after earning my degree, my boss
> > put me together with a technician who had no degree, but tons of experience.
> > The tech rolled his eyes when he met me and said, "Great...I gotta train
> > ANOTHER engineer". What he didn't count on was that I'd learn how to do his
> > job, not to his skill level (he had 10+ years in the industry), but good
> > enough so that he'd trust me to do the work if he wasn't around. I kind of
> > feel like him, now... a non-certified "packet jockey" that has to train
> > these certified, "paper trained", network "engineers".
> >
> > I interviewed a guy the other day and asked him, "Why do you want to get
> > Cisco certified?". He said, because he wanted to be a network engineer and
> > learn how to read/interpret Cisco configurations. When I asked him "Why do
> > you want to be a network engineer?", his reason was pretty weak (but I'd
> > guess he'd have said "the money" if I pressed him).
> >
> > The havoc I could wreak on these guys with policy routing, access-groups,
> > NAT, and route maps... heheheheh...<evil grin>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mike Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:51 PM
> > Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
> >
> > > I will probably get yelled at for this one but...
> > >
> > > I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE.
> > > So up front I am not against certs.
> > >
> > > I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming
> > > Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually
> > > do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for
> > > network folks, I have the opportunity to interview
> > > these people to verify technical experience. I have
> > > had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who
> > > could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know.
> > >
> > >
> > > This scares me because I am also working hard toward
> > > my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven and is
> > > showing up more that these people are becoming "paper"
> > > Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE.
> > >
> > > I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will remain as
> > > difficult if not more so in the future. I for one do
> > > not want to spend a year of my life gaining the CCIE
> > > title to be one among thousands who also have it.
> > >
> > > That is my insite and hope Cisco will
> > > try to make it more difficult to obtain the CCNP/DP
> > > and not become another MCSE program.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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