Yeah an MCSE on every corner and 1000 Windows boxes in the building behind. I was talking to some buddies in the last big market I worked in (I live in a poh-dunk town now) and people with current Microsoft skills are very much in demand. The infrastructure guys are hurting, remember when the market went down it was the infrastructure, Internet, and Provider companies that nose-dived, the mom-an-pops with 200-500Workstations, 10 servers, a couple switches, an access router and a real non-internet related business are still going strong. They need user connectivity, (not MPLS, OC-12 or the like) they need database access, email, and system management product specialists. I think we all got caught in the Microsoft is OK but the really cool stuff is Cisco, but then we found out that buying pickles and everything else on the net wasn't flying. Yo I heard Novell is doing some really cool stuff. Reminds me of a movie where the handsome Earl Flynn was made to walk the plank by the ugly green-toothed pirates. MCSE + I - till they rip the 4.0 out of my hand. CNE 4.11 - already stripped CCN/DP - current CCIE 6/8/02 - first attempt Don
----- Original Message ----- From: ; To: ; ; Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:45 PM Subject: Fwd: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [7:3485] > On a whim I took the CCIE written this past Saturday. Didn't pass but I do > believe the exam is far to easy. YES, to easy!! I came up a couple answers > short but really put no effort into preparing for the exam!! > When I lost my job last year due to downsizing I weighed my options; MCSE or > CCIE...finished CCNP on April 30th so I guess that tells you my choice... > HOWEVER, after getting the CCNP I began doing some job hunting, EVERY > potential employer wanted MCSE/MCP and didn't care one way or the other > about > Cisco certs. I'm 48 yrs. old and really didn't care much about the MCSE > because of the perceptions you stated (an MCSE on every corner), however I > read several Microsoft books this summer (NT, W2K Pro, Exchange 5.5 & 2000) > but haven't attempted any exams. > Anyway back to CCIE, aside from the CCNP studies, which I finished in the > spring, I read mostly from the Cisco CD (Internetworking Technology > Overview, > Case Studies, Design etc) and Lou's Token Ring paper (Thank You Dennis for > the TR quizzes) but DID NOT read any of the popular books i.e. Halibi, > Caslow, Doyle endorsed here. I didn't read them for a reason and that was > to > see if I could pass WITHOUT their input and if I hadn't scr*&^ewed up a > couple security questions I would have passed AND THEN I would really have > been PISSED....having a qualification to THE LAB and basically only > theoretical knowledge base. I chose the CCIE route BECAUSE it was supposed > to be the crown jewel of networking!!! > > my .02 worth > > Rick > > In a message dated 10/1/01 12:50:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > I agree with what you are saying, however there is a difference between > > having to work hard for something, and having it so that there are only > 6000 > > of them in the world... > > The MCSE has lost respect within the IT industry, however if you want a > > serious admin job, it is the most sought after certification. The CCIE > will > > always be a well respected certification. The fact that so few people have > > it is in some ways harmful because human resources departments and managers > > outside the tech industry haven't always heard of it. I have seen people > > get interviews for high level network engineering positions that were CCNAs > > before CCIEs got the interview. This is because HR has heard of the CCNA > > and doesn't know what a CCIE is... > > I'm not saying they should water down the test, nor do I believe they are > > doing so. However, I do believe that more is better to a certain degree. > > 6000 to 7000 CCIEs in the world is silly. There can very easily be 10 > times > > that and the demand for certified, well trained engineers will still be > > there ;-) Just my opinion. > > Regards, > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Logan, Harold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 12:27 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [3:3485] > > > > > > I disagree. I'm working towards the CCIE, and I want it to be hard. I > > want to have to work for it. The last CCNP exam I took was the > > Support/Troubleshooting exam, and I wanted my money back. The couple of > > hours I put into studying for it were nothing but wasted time. > > > > In any line of work, supply and demand rule the market. The more IE's > > there are out there, the less they'll be making. Not only that, but we > > lowly CCNP's and CCDP's can probably expect even less. You point out > > that there are way more doctors, lawyers, etc... well, there's more of a > > demand for doctors and lawyers. It's a simple comparison: ask yourself > > how many people in a given population get sick or decide to sue someone, > > and compare that to the number of people who need a network designed. > > > > What's more, the easier any cert exam is to obtain, the worse its > > reputation becomes; just ask Microsoft. It'll be years before the MCSE > > is a respected certification again... why? Because it was too easy to > > get. Everyone's got a story about an MCSE who talked big but couldn't > > edit an LMHosts file, or couldn't set up a trust relationship, or > > couldn't install a NIC. If the IE truly does get easier, how long will > > it be before everyone has a similar story about a CCIE?I for one hope > > Cisco keeps the lab challenging... I want the IE, but I want to work for > > it. > > > > Hal Logan > > Network Specialist / Adjunct Faculty > > Computing and Engineering Technology > > Manatee Community College > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Marshal Schoener [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 3:30 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [3:3485] > > > > > > > > > What is funny is that people are concerned with the > > > possibility of 5 digit > > > amounts of CCIEs at all. > > > Considering there are way more doctors, lawyers, salesman, > > > brokers, etc etc > > > etc etc etc in just about every small city than there are > > > CCIEs world wide, > > > it doesn't seem something very logical to worry about. > > > In fact, to a certain degree it is better off to have more > > > than there are > > > now for sales-marketing reasons... > > > Another thing is that just because the format changes, > > > doesn't mean the test > > > is going to become easier. It may in fact become harder... > > > > > > For those of you that are really worried about this (which I > > > honestly find > > > hard to imagine) why don't you look into the specializations. > > > > > > Regards, Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=21688&t=3485 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
