How inept does a netadmin have to be to block his own servers.  If Im that
guys boss, he is so fired..

Brian "Sonic" Whalen
Success = Preparation + Opportunity


On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, John Allhiser wrote:

> This discussion reminds me of a popular quote I see all the time on another
> forum: "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral
> problems."
> --attributed to Ed Crowley, Compaq Technical Consultant
>
> A friend of mine worked for a company that had a problem with a certain
> spammer.
> They blocked the IP address of the offending emailer at the gateway, and to
> their utter astonishment, the pernicious perpetrator changed its IP.  The
> spam
> continued to flow.
> Eventually, after about 9 IPs were entered into the "deny" access-list, the
> legitmate email started having problems (the spammer seemed to have been
> stopped).+
>
> Long story, short:  The spammer was using the company's ISP's mail relay
host
> addresses.
> By shutting down those IPs, they effectively shut down their Intenet mail
> service.
>
> --John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 1:56 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: How to block MSN, and others. [7:31057]
>
>
> I suppose it comes down to they type of company/employees. I'm more used to
> companies that leave things fairly open for employees, and demand (rather
> than expect) that the employee be responsible with it.
> Employees will understand that monitoring needs to be done at times and
> offenders be dealt with.
> "Firm and fair" sometimes works better than "beat me if you can". Not
always
> though, so admittedly it's horses for courses.
>
> Gaz
>
> ""Mike Sweeney""  wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Let me put something into perspective here. It was said earlier about why
> > give access then block it. Why indeed... the why is for BUSINESS
reasons..
> > not day trading, not stock tickers, not chatting for hours(documented)
> with
> > friends at the expense of work, viruses coming in on Hotmail attachments
> > that bypass the clamped down exchange server and so on.
> >
> > The internet is given to employees for business reasons with the
> expectation
> > that the employee will be responsible with it. Will there be personal
> use..
> > of course.. just like the phone. Why limit certain things? gee.. the
> company
> > pays for a T1, they have 4,000 users, 100 decide to watch a Victoria
> Secret
> > webcast at 300Kbps.. see the problem?  This not theorical.. this really
> > happened to one of my clients and the webcastusers/readaudio users
managed
> > to max out the T during working hours.
> >
> > The courts have already decided for good or bad that email is company
> > property and they can do what they wish with it. I would imagine that web
> > access falls under the same rules as it's a company building, desk, PC(or
> > Mac), servers, connection and so on.
> >
> > My opinion
> >
> > MikeS




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