I hate to break it to you, but almost all e-mail isn't encrypted either.
The log on info to MSN Messenger is not clear text.  The messages are.  I
sniffed MSN Messenger and it's an RSA certificate.  I think you mean I can
sniff most pop accounts and see the username and password, not MSN
Messenger.



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> >The messages are usually smaller than e-mail.  And
> > no they aren't insecure (well besides the gaping hole AIM just patched).
> A
> > stateful firewall or CBAC can stop session hijacking.
>
> It is the statement like this that makes me almost fall off my chair.
What
> planet
> are you coming from?  What make you think that these IM is secured
> (excluding
> the gapping hole in AIM).  Remember, you have to connect the client to an
> external IM server, the information is traveling in "clear text" including
> your
> username and password. What makes you think that these IM servers are
> secure?  Furthermore, your communication can be monitored by a third
party.
> CBAC or stateful Firewall can not prevent this because your session is
being
> monitored on the IM servers.  There is nothing that your firewall can do.
> If
> hackers successfully hack the IM servers, consider your conversation
> available
> to everybody else.
>
> The best way to secure communication is running IM over Secure Socket
Layer
> (SSL).  I've been using jabber over SSL for a few months now and it is
> working great.  You want something secure, build your own jabber server,
run
> the
> service over SSL and have your buddies to connect to your jabber IM server
> for
> secure communication.  Jabber server is a freeware available on Linux
> platform.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven A. Ridder"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: How to block MSN, and others. [7:31057]
>
>
> > I can't imagine the problem with Messenger apps.  I feel that instant
> > communication can be handy at times.  Sometimes I hate waiting for an
> e-mail
> > response, and a messenger service fits that niche nicely.  And no, they
> > don't waste bandwidth.  The messages are usually smaller than e-mail.
And
> > no they aren't insecure (well besides the gaping hole AIM just patched).
> A
> > stateful firewall or CBAC can stop session hijacking.
> >
> > I don't use instant messaging at all (except for e-bay alerts and
traffic
> > updates) but I see huge potential for IM and I bet that messaging will
> only
> > get more ubiquitous as the years go by.  So try and live with it instaed
> of
> > fighting it all the time.
> > --
> >
> > RFC 1149 Compliant.
> >
> >
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