Hi Laurent, Thanks for those links, I'll try the standalone version. I recently tried to set up CCW, I got it running but several of the Paredit keybindings didn't work for me and they didn't appear in the shortcut preferences either. I'm definitely in the "have always hated Eclipse" camp but I'll give the standalone version a try and let you know how I get on. If I have problems I'll post them to the CCW list.
Thanks for all the hard work, CCW has really come a long way! Cheers, Colin On 26 July 2013 09:12, Laurent PETIT <laurent.pe...@gmail.com> wrote: > tl;dr: why not at least *try* Counterclockwise before skipping it > 'because of Eclipse'? You may find its editor with paredit shortcuts > appealing. A full standalone Eclipse+Counterclockwise is available for > your platform here: > > http://updatesite.ccw-ide.org/branch/master/master-travis000102-git75512b6843a242e2ab3c9f4057c42c884653b2ea/products/ > > > I'm a bit sad when I read people don't want to try Counterclockwise > just because they had a prior bad experience with Eclipse. > > Not even giving it a try, c'mon guys, please ;-) > > I have been working on the automation of build and delivery recently, > and for instance giving it a try is as easy as: > > 1. download the standalone version for your OS from here: > > > http://updatesite.ccw-ide.org/branch/master/master-travis000102-git75512b6843a242e2ab3c9f4057c42c884653b2ea/products/ > (pretty stable version, stick to this link please) > > It's a big download, but you have everything included (Eclipse base + > Counterclockwise + Leiningen + Eclipse Git ...) > > 2. Unzip into a directory named e.g. counterclockwise > > 3. Locate counterclockwise / counterclockwise.app / > counterclockwise.exe depending on your platform, and start it ! > > Even if you still don't like the beast, some feedback on what you > liked / disliked will always be appreciated since new viewpoints are > generally challenging and interesting! > > Cheers, > > -- > Laurent > > > 2013/7/25 Ryan Stradling <ryanstradl...@gmail.com>: > > I have used Vi, emacs, and IntelliJ for Clojure. > > > > I have used eclipse on non Clojure projects but it is not my default > choice. > > I typically choose IntelliJ over eclipse when that type of environment is > > needed. > > I had a very capable set-up in IntelliJ. There are still some issues > with > > the Clojure plugin especially if you are used to paredit. > > I naturally gravitate towards Vi when choosing between emacs or Vi. > > Vim-fireplace is really good if Vim is something you would like. > > > > Emacs though IMHO is still the best one out there of what I have tried. > > With all the others, I feel that I miss the interactive REPL experience I > > get with emacs. That, ergo-mode, and Caps Lock mapped to the ctrl key > are > > what brought me back to it. > > > > Daily I use emacs. When needed, I use IntelliJ. (For instance I was > > writing a plug-in in Clojure for a Java application. I did not know the > > Java application well at all and had a hard to find issue. I fired up > > IntelliJ, and I was able to debug in Java and Clojure and found the issue > > rather quickly.) > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 25, 2013 3:55:22 PM UTC-4, Lee wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Jul 25, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: > >> > > >> > In October 2011, I decided to give Emacs another chance - specifically > >> > for Clojure development - and that's what I use day-in, day-out. I > >> > have a slightly customized setup but it really doesn't have much > >> > beyond the starter kit, rainbow delimiters and autocompletion added. > >> > It has a huge learning curve (nay, a _cliff_!) but it is hands down > >> > the best Clojure environment (in my opinion - and about 70% of all > >> > Clojure developers surveyed, according to Chas's surveys). > >> > > >> > Coming back to Emacs after about a 20 year break(!), I was surprised > >> > to see it had only advanced to version 24 (in fact, back in October > >> > 2011, 24 was only a preview build), and it took a fair bit of getting > >> > used to (again). Since then, two of my team have also switched > >> > full-time from ST2 to Emacs. The third does a lot of front end web dev > >> > and finds ST2 easier to work with - but I suspect when she starts > >> > doing Clojure / ClojureScript work, she'll switch too. > >> > >> For Sean or anyone who finds Sean's narrative compelling (I do), imagine > >> emacs without the learning curve! I say it's possible and I point to the > >> long-extinct FRED (Fred Resembles Emacs Deliberately) that was part of > >> Macintosh Common Lisp as a proof of principle. I don't have the time or > >> chops to develop such a thing, but if anyone here does then this would > be a > >> way to make the world a better place. > >> > >> -Lee > >> > > -- > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Clojure" group. > > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your > > first post. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Clojure" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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