OK, that is two of us. The point is that there are a handful of people who are capable, and an even smaller number who want to spend the time and energy.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I run web hosting as well so I hold my hand up. I have since 1998. > > > On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 03:35:51PM -0600, Gustin Johnson wrote: >> We are talking about higher up the stack. We already have a free >> stack from boot loader, to kernel, to OS, to >> Apache/lighttpd/micro-httpd/mini-httpd/thttpd etc. We now need >> something on top of all that. We are also talking about something >> that a less technical user could plug into a wall socket and then >> start using. >> >> I already do this with Drupal. I run my own DNS servers, and control >> just about every part of the chain (I have a web hosting company >> hosting my Drupal instance, but I get a nightly backup at home, and >> could be up and running again in 30 minutes). Raise your hand if you >> too can do this. OK, now keep your hands up if you *want* to do all >> this work. Some days I just want it all to work. >> >> There is work being done in this space, but we are in the early days. >> Think kernel v0.5 era. >> >> We may also need an alternative to DNS, since that can currently be messed >> with. >> >> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Greg Saunders <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I kinda thought that but wouldn't a better way to solve this problem be at >> > the protocol layer and not the infrastructure? >> > i.e. httpf or httpfs, smtpf, imapf, dnsf, etc. >> > I care more about my message (and communications) being "free" (as in beer >> > and speech) than the hardware (and OS) it traversed. >> > So in a world where you had a mix of "free" and commercial infrastructure >> > (which seems realistic), my "free" data (communication) would be routed >> > accordingly. >> > ??? >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Gustin Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> We are talking about building a free as in speech alternative to facebook >> >> and twitter. We have the low cost hardware, we have a free as in speech >> >> OS >> >> as well as a solid free (again as speech) stack on top of that. >> >> >> >> The problem was that the protests in the Arab world were largely organised >> >> on Facebook and Twitter. These represent single points of failure and >> >> censorship. The idea is to have a federated, free and open solution to >> >> replace this that can't be as easily taken down. Think Identi.ca but for >> >> facebook. >> >> >> >> It is not just Facebook, there are all sorts of hosted (aka "cloud") >> >> solutions that we have little ultimate control over. It just makes sense >> >> to >> >> have an open and federated alternative. There are a lot of pieces already >> >> in the works, like Identi.ca and Feng office, and so on. There just is no >> >> co-ordinated platform to compete with Google Apps/Google+, Facebook etc. >> >> >> >> Sent from my Android device. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> >> >> On Jul 5, 2011 2:15 PM, "Greg Saunders" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> clug-talk mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca >> >> Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) >> >> **Please remove these lines when replying >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > clug-talk mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca >> > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) >> > **Please remove these lines when replying >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> clug-talk mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca >> Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) >> **Please remove these lines when replying > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying > _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
