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flame me, that's ok or response directly ... sorry, I messed up this thread ... truly, sh!t the original topic is good :) On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Greg Saunders <[email protected]> wrote: > <offline> > > Gustin, it's all about "the time and energy". If that's how you want to run > you business and live your life, by all means, knock yourself out. But don't > martyr yourself on the mailing list. Well of course you "can" but you don't > have my sympathy ... I think that's what I was getting at :) > > </offline> > > > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Gustin Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> OK, that is two of us. The point is that there are a handful of >> people who are capable, and an even smaller number who want to spend >> the time and energy. >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I run web hosting as well so I hold my hand up. I have since 1998. >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 03:35:51PM -0600, Gustin Johnson wrote: >> >> We are talking about higher up the stack. We already have a free >> >> stack from boot loader, to kernel, to OS, to >> >> Apache/lighttpd/micro-httpd/mini-httpd/thttpd etc. We now need >> >> something on top of all that. We are also talking about something >> >> that a less technical user could plug into a wall socket and then >> >> start using. >> >> >> >> I already do this with Drupal. I run my own DNS servers, and control >> >> just about every part of the chain (I have a web hosting company >> >> hosting my Drupal instance, but I get a nightly backup at home, and >> >> could be up and running again in 30 minutes). Raise your hand if you >> >> too can do this. OK, now keep your hands up if you *want* to do all >> >> this work. Some days I just want it all to work. >> >> >> >> There is work being done in this space, but we are in the early days. >> >> Think kernel v0.5 era. >> >> >> >> We may also need an alternative to DNS, since that can currently be >> messed with. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Greg Saunders <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I kinda thought that but wouldn't a better way to solve this problem >> be at >> >> > the protocol layer and not the infrastructure? >> >> > i.e. httpf or httpfs, smtpf, imapf, dnsf, etc. >> >> > I care more about my message (and communications) being "free" (as in >> beer >> >> > and speech) than the hardware (and OS) it traversed. >> >> > So in a world where you had a mix of "free" and commercial >> infrastructure >> >> > (which seems realistic), my "free" data (communication) would be >> routed >> >> > accordingly. >> >> > ??? >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Gustin Johnson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> We are talking about building a free as in speech alternative to >> facebook >> >> >> and twitter. We have the low cost hardware, we have a free as in >> speech OS >> >> >> as well as a solid free (again as speech) stack on top of that. >> >> >> >> >> >> The problem was that the protests in the Arab world were largely >> organised >> >> >> on Facebook and Twitter. These represent single points of failure >> and >> >> >> censorship. The idea is to have a federated, free and open solution >> to >> >> >> replace this that can't be as easily taken down. Think Identi.ca >> but for >> >> >> facebook. >> >> >> >> >> >> It is not just Facebook, there are all sorts of hosted (aka "cloud") >> >> >> solutions that we have little ultimate control over. It just makes >> sense to >> >> >> have an open and federated alternative. There are a lot of pieces >> already >> >> >> in the works, like Identi.ca and Feng office, and so on. There just >> is no >> >> >> co-ordinated platform to compete with Google Apps/Google+, Facebook >> etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my Android device. 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