<flame> I note some spellin errors.
</flame> On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 04:13:31PM -0600, Greg Saunders wrote: > ah !@#$! > > I really meant that to be off-line .... !#$! ing Gmail > > flame me, that's ok or response directly ... sorry, I messed up this thread > ... truly, sh!t > > the original topic is good :) > > > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Greg Saunders <[email protected]> wrote: > > > <offline> > > > > Gustin, it's all about "the time and energy". If that's how you want to run > > you business and live your life, by all means, knock yourself out. But don't > > martyr yourself on the mailing list. Well of course you "can" but you don't > > have my sympathy ... I think that's what I was getting at :) > > > > </offline> > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Gustin Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> OK, that is two of us. The point is that there are a handful of > >> people who are capable, and an even smaller number who want to spend > >> the time and energy. > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > I run web hosting as well so I hold my hand up. I have since 1998. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 03:35:51PM -0600, Gustin Johnson wrote: > >> >> We are talking about higher up the stack. We already have a free > >> >> stack from boot loader, to kernel, to OS, to > >> >> Apache/lighttpd/micro-httpd/mini-httpd/thttpd etc. We now need > >> >> something on top of all that. We are also talking about something > >> >> that a less technical user could plug into a wall socket and then > >> >> start using. > >> >> > >> >> I already do this with Drupal. I run my own DNS servers, and control > >> >> just about every part of the chain (I have a web hosting company > >> >> hosting my Drupal instance, but I get a nightly backup at home, and > >> >> could be up and running again in 30 minutes). Raise your hand if you > >> >> too can do this. OK, now keep your hands up if you *want* to do all > >> >> this work. Some days I just want it all to work. > >> >> > >> >> There is work being done in this space, but we are in the early days. > >> >> Think kernel v0.5 era. > >> >> > >> >> We may also need an alternative to DNS, since that can currently be > >> messed with. > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Greg Saunders <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > I kinda thought that but wouldn't a better way to solve this problem > >> be at > >> >> > the protocol layer and not the infrastructure? > >> >> > i.e. httpf or httpfs, smtpf, imapf, dnsf, etc. > >> >> > I care more about my message (and communications) being "free" (as in > >> beer > >> >> > and speech) than the hardware (and OS) it traversed. > >> >> > So in a world where you had a mix of "free" and commercial > >> infrastructure > >> >> > (which seems realistic), my "free" data (communication) would be > >> routed > >> >> > accordingly. > >> >> > ??? > >> >> > > >> >> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Gustin Johnson <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> We are talking about building a free as in speech alternative to > >> facebook > >> >> >> and twitter. We have the low cost hardware, we have a free as in > >> speech OS > >> >> >> as well as a solid free (again as speech) stack on top of that. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The problem was that the protests in the Arab world were largely > >> organised > >> >> >> on Facebook and Twitter. These represent single points of failure > >> and > >> >> >> censorship. The idea is to have a federated, free and open solution > >> to > >> >> >> replace this that can't be as easily taken down. Think Identi.ca > >> but for > >> >> >> facebook. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> It is not just Facebook, there are all sorts of hosted (aka "cloud") > >> >> >> solutions that we have little ultimate control over. It just makes > >> sense to > >> >> >> have an open and federated alternative. There are a lot of pieces > >> already > >> >> >> in the works, like Identi.ca and Feng office, and so on. There just > >> is no > >> >> >> co-ordinated platform to compete with Google Apps/Google+, Facebook > >> etc. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Sent from my Android device. Please excuse my brevity. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Jul 5, 2011 2:15 PM, "Greg Saunders" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> clug-talk mailing list > >> >> >> [email protected] > >> >> >> http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > >> >> >> Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > >> >> >> **Please remove these lines when replying > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > clug-talk mailing list > >> >> > [email protected] > >> >> > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > >> >> > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > >> >> > **Please remove these lines when replying > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> clug-talk mailing list > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > >> >> Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > >> >> **Please remove these lines when replying > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > clug-talk mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > >> > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > >> > **Please remove these lines when replying > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> clug-talk mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > >> Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > >> **Please remove these lines when replying > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
