I do not see any martyrdom at all, only some astute truth. True for me too. Do not want to hire, do not want to do all the work either, so unlike others here, my hand is down.
Mel On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 16:09 -0600, Greg Saunders wrote: > <offline> > > > Gustin, it's all about "the time and energy". If that's how you want > to run you business and live your life, by all means, knock yourself > out. But don't martyr yourself on the mailing list. Well of course you > "can" but you don't have my sympathy ... I think that's what I was > getting at :) > > > </offline> > > > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Gustin Johnson <[email protected]> > wrote: > OK, that is two of us. The point is that there are a handful > of > people who are capable, and an even smaller number who want to > spend > the time and energy. > > > > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > I run web hosting as well so I hold my hand up. I have > since 1998. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 03:35:51PM -0600, Gustin Johnson > wrote: > >> We are talking about higher up the stack. We already have > a free > >> stack from boot loader, to kernel, to OS, to > >> Apache/lighttpd/micro-httpd/mini-httpd/thttpd etc. We now > need > >> something on top of all that. We are also talking about > something > >> that a less technical user could plug into a wall socket > and then > >> start using. > >> > >> I already do this with Drupal. I run my own DNS servers, > and control > >> just about every part of the chain (I have a web hosting > company > >> hosting my Drupal instance, but I get a nightly backup at > home, and > >> could be up and running again in 30 minutes). Raise your > hand if you > >> too can do this. OK, now keep your hands up if you *want* > to do all > >> this work. Some days I just want it all to work. > >> > >> There is work being done in this space, but we are in the > early days. > >> Think kernel v0.5 era. > >> > >> We may also need an alternative to DNS, since that can > currently be messed with. > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Greg Saunders > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > I kinda thought that but wouldn't a better way to solve > this problem be at > >> > the protocol layer and not the infrastructure? > >> > i.e. httpf or httpfs, smtpf, imapf, dnsf, etc. > >> > I care more about my message (and communications) being > "free" (as in beer > >> > and speech) than the hardware (and OS) it traversed. > >> > So in a world where you had a mix of "free" and > commercial infrastructure > >> > (which seems realistic), my "free" data (communication) > would be routed > >> > accordingly. > >> > ??? > >> > > >> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Gustin Johnson > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> We are talking about building a free as in speech > alternative to facebook > >> >> and twitter. We have the low cost hardware, we have a > free as in speech OS > >> >> as well as a solid free (again as speech) stack on top > of that. > >> >> > >> >> The problem was that the protests in the Arab world were > largely organised > >> >> on Facebook and Twitter. These represent single points > of failure and > >> >> censorship. The idea is to have a federated, free and > open solution to > >> >> replace this that can't be as easily taken down. Think > Identi.ca but for > >> >> facebook. > >> >> > >> >> It is not just Facebook, there are all sorts of hosted > (aka "cloud") > >> >> solutions that we have little ultimate control over. It > just makes sense to > >> >> have an open and federated alternative. There are a lot > of pieces already > >> >> in the works, like Identi.ca and Feng office, and so > on. There just is no > >> >> co-ordinated platform to compete with Google Apps/Google > +, Facebook etc. > >> >> > >> >> Sent from my Android device. 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