I stand corrected (and better informed). I was only thinking of meeting situations in harbors / channels which is where I usually run into (not literally!!!!) paddle boarders and kayakers. In open waters it makes perfect sense that they would have right of way.
-- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Jun 7, 2016, at 22:53, William Hall via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > Interesting. I'd always learned that rowboats, canoes and the like had the > right of way over sail, motor, etc, at least when meeting in open water free > of obstructions. That usually seems to make sense, as a sailboat with a > decent breeze can usually avoid the paddler easily. > > Here's a reference supporting this general interpretation: > http://newboatbuilders.com/boating/navrules.html . I'd imagine opposing > viewpoints can come up with opposing references. > > The example Jonathan brings up is a situation where the sailboat is > constrained and the paddler should try to give way. Knowledgeable paddlers > know to stay out of the way of boats in the channel, just as we sailors know > to stay out of the way of freighters! Actually, there's also reference in > Dennis' link to similar situations, both "vessels constrained by their draft" > and rule 9, narrow channels. > > This topic of sail vs paddle reminds me of a number of incidents from my days > on the sailing team in college. We raced dinghies on the Charles River in > Cambridge / Boston, which was also the home of quite a bit of human powered > traffic including rowing shells. Shells are very fast, but very slow to turn, > especially the eights that were often out practicing. We were told to stay > out of their way, but on occasion during a drifter there wasn't much we could > do, and the shells had to avoid us since we couldn't avoid them. > > In one of the first regattas where I had just started to figure out how to do > well, I managed to lead around the last leeward mark and thought I had the > race wrapped up, heading into the finish. Approaching the finish, an eight > that had decided to row through our course realized (probably because of all > the yelling from other sailors) that they could have picked a better place to > go. They decided to turn around, and in the process completely blocked the > finish line, overlapping both finish marks with their long hull just as I > arrived. As the first one there, there was nothing to do but wait and guess > which end of the line was going to open up first. Unfortunately I guessed > wrong and lost quite a few places. In hindsight it seems pretty funny - > they couldn't have timed or placed their turn worse had they tried. > > Bill > C&C 37 Starfire > Ludington, MI > > > >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Indigo via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> wrote: >> I would think that "manually propelled" vessels form a different class of >> vessels. When two vessels belonging to different classes meet, the vessel >> belonging to the more maneuverable class is the "give way" vessel. In >> general, manually propelled vessels have minimal draft, and can therefor go >> where most other vessels cannot. This imho would place manually propelled >> vessels at the absolute bottom of the pecking order and be required to give >> way to all other classes of vessels. While I am always courteous and >> careful around them, they do irritate me hugely when they insist in sticking >> to the middle of a channel! >> >> -- >> Jonathan >> Indigo C&C 35III >> SOUTHPORT CT >> >>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 20:46, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Saw a post on a local yacht club board this week. Seems a sailboat was >>> approaching a group of stand up paddle boarders (SUP's). Sailor didn't >>> know who had ROW. As he went by the SUP's, he asked them. They didn't >>> know either. >>> >>> With the exception of required lights, the rules seem to be minimal on >>> situations with oared craft such as dinghies, SUP's, kayaks, canoes, etc. >>> The Admiral and I rarely put the outboard on our dinghy. We just row >>> ashore or to neighboring boats. >>> >>> Here's some vague guidance: from navcen.uscg.gov: >>> >>> "13. Where do Kayaks and Canoes fit into the Navigation Rules? Neither the >>> International nor Inland Navigation Rules address "kayaks" or "canoes" per >>> se, except in regards to "vessels under oars" in Rule 25 regarding lights. >>> One could infer that a "vessel under oars" should be treated as a "sailing >>> vessel" since it is permitted to display the same lights as one, but, >>> ultimately the issue of whom "gives way" would fall to what would be >>> "required by the ordinary practice of seamen, or by the special >>> circumstances of the case" (Rule 2)." Source: >>> http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=navRulesFAQ#0.3_13 >>> >>> Interesting topic. What say you? >>> >>> Dennis C. >>> Touche' 35-1 #83 >>> Mandeville, LA >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >>> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >>> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like >> what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions >> are greatly appreciated! > > > > -- > William D. Hall, Ph.D. > 617 620 9078 (c) > wh...@alum.mit.edu > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated!
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