I used "term" bc it makes room for a little bit of (mental) shifting for some ppl... Everyone (non-specialists included) uses "w*rd". Nothing is 100% --- when it comes to "language" or abstract concepts (or everything in the empirical world?), but 99% is better than 98 or 60%. (E.g. we may have 99% of known lgs in character encoding down vs. a very shaky never-ending-story with w-segmentation, not even for one language.)
On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 11:18 PM Daniel HENKEL <daniel.hen...@univ-paris8.fr> wrote: > Just to clarify my position, I don't actually think that the En. lexeme > “w*rd” is easy to define, precise or theoretically well-founded (I prefer > “lexeme” here, as Ada's previous use of “term” is improper from a wusterian > point of view, given that “w*rd” lacks distinctive traits due to its > notorious ambiguity). > > The situation is similar in mathematics where “number” is used to denote a > variety of concepts such as natural numbers, integers, fractions, real > numbers, irrational numbers, imaginary numbers … which may be inclusive or > exclusive of each other. There are thus numerous contexts in which > colloquial use of the w*rd “number” would be imprecise, inappropriate and > might even lead to confusion. Nonetheless, I'm not aware of any > mathematicians who advocate censorship of the w*rd “number”. > > If “w*rd” lacks a clear definition and a clear theoretical foundation > (which I actually agree with), then it can't really be used as a “term” > until the concept has been given an adequate definition in relation to > other terms within the relevant domain or theoretical framework. > > On the other hand, though precise terminology is always preferable > whenever and wherever precision is necessary, there's nothing ever to be > gained scientifically through censorship (sorry to use an ungood w*rd, but, > in all earnestness, when I see a spade I call it a “spade”). > > DH > > > On 20/06/2022 22:13, Daniel HENKEL wrote: > > Not to mention all these shamefully unscientific posts on Corporalist: > > *12th International Global W*rdnet Conference Donostia / San Sebastian, > Basque Country 23-27, 2023 Global W*rdnet Association: > www.globalw*rdnet.org <http://rdnet.org>* > *Conference website: https://hitz.eus/gwc2023 <https://hitz.eus/gwc2023>* > > *18th Workshop on Multiw*rd Expressions (MWE 2022) Organized and sponsored > by SIGLEX, the Special Interest Group on the Lexicon of the ACL* > > *The 5th Workshop on Multi-w*rd Units in Machine Translation and > Translation Technology (MUMTTT 2022) Malaga, 30th September 2022* > > ... > > Definitely time for some lexical/terminological restrictions/updates, for > the sake of goodthink/processing, and science! > > > (actually "science" is heretical/redundant, "goodthink/processing" will do > the job: > > *"As we have already seen in the case of the word FREE, w*rds which had > once borne a heretical meaning were sometimes retained for the sake of > convenience, but only with the undesirable meanings purged out of them. > Countless other w*rds such as HONOUR, JUSTICE, MORALITY, INTERNATIONALISM, > DEMOCRACY, SCIENCE, and RELIGION had simply ceased to exist."*) > > DH > > > > On 20/06/2022 21:47, Daniel HENKEL wrote: > > Looks as if Linguistlist is in need of some scientific enlightenment as > well : > > http://linguistlist.org/issues/33/33-2063.html > > *In the new, thoroughly revised second edition of W*rds of Wonder: > Endangered Languages and What They Tell Us, Second Edition (formerly called > Dying W*rds: Endangered Languages and What They Have to Tell Us), renowned > scholar Nicholas Evans delivers an accessible and incisive text covering > the impact of mass language endangerment. The distinguished author explores > issues surrounding the preservation of indigenous languages, ...* > > (ungood w*rds unw*rded to protect the faint of mind against ungood > thinking/processing). > > Best, > > DH > > > On 20/06/2022 20:27, Ada Wan wrote: > > (I just expounded on a point as a twitter reply today re the granularity > of one's thinking/processing. Pls feel free to read that also.) > > One can think of it in a less binary manner --- not "good" vs "bad", not > "words" then "sentences", but to think of an utterance/sequence with all > the finer connections in between... That is the beauty of language --- from > a "philological" point of view. > > I am not sure, though, if you were speaking from a scientific perspective, > because I have a paper to back my argument in that regard. > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 6:06 PM Sylvain Kahane <sylv...@kahane.fr> wrote: > >> “We’re destroying words–scores of them, hundreds of them, every day. >> We’re cutting the language down to the bone.” […] >> >> “It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Of course the great >> advantage is in the verbs and adjectives, but there are hundreds of nouns >> that can be got rid of as well. It isn’t only the synonyms; there are also >> the antonyms. After all, what justification is there for a word which is >> simply the opposite of some other words? A word contains its opposite in >> itself. Take ‘good,’ for instance. If you have a word like ‘good,’ what >> need is there for a word like ‘bad’? ‘Ungood’ will do just as well–better, >> because it’s an exact opposite, which the other is not. Or again, if you >> want a stronger version of ‘good,’ what sense is there in having a whole >> string of vague useless words like ‘excellent’ and ‘splendid’ and all the >> rest of them? ‘Plusgood’ covers the meaning, or ‘doubleplusgood’ if you >> want something stronger still. Of course we use those forms already, but in >> the final version of Newspeak there’ll be nothing else. In the end the >> whole notion of goodness and badness will be covered by only six words–in >> reality, only one word. Don’t you see the beauty of that, Ada?…” >> >> George Orwell, 1984 >> >> >> > Le 20 juin 2022 à 17:33, Ada Wan <adawan...@gmail.com> a écrit : >> > >> > Hi Christopher, >> > >> > It is of the best interest of the community to discontinue the usage of >> "word". The term is not only very shaky in its foundation (if any), but it >> can also effect disparity in performance in computational processing and >> robustness when human evaluation is involved. >> > Despite the term has been casually adopted by many in the past, like >> many un-PC terms that may have an inappropriate undertone, it needs to be >> discouraged and abandoned. >> > Last but not least, I noticed that you are located in Canada, in the >> event that you were to work with any indigenous communities, one MUST be >> advised to be careful with the usage of such term --- you could be imposing >> your own (EN- / FR- / dominant language-centric) view onto another >> individual/community. There is an element of cultural and linguistic >> hegemony with the usage of such term (including and not limited to making >> applications with it). >> > Please also consult recent work in this area: >> https://openreview.net/forum?id=-llS6TiOew. >> > >> > Feel free to get in touch if you should have any questions. >> > >> > Best, >> > Ada >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 4:53 PM Christopher Collins < >> christopher.coll...@ontariotechu.ca> wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > >> > >> > I’m looking for any open source or cloud-hosted solution for complex >> word identification or word difficulty rating in French for a reading >> application. >> > >> > >> > >> > As a backup plan we can use measures like corpus frequency, length, >> number of senses, but we’re hoping someone has already made a tool >> available. >> > >> > >> > >> > We found this but that’s it: https://github.com/sheffieldnlp/cwi >> > >> > >> > >> > Would appreciate any tips! >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > >> > >> > Christopher Collins [he/him] >> > Associate Professor - Faculty of Science >> > Canada Research Chair in Linguistic Information Visualization >> > Ontario Tech University >> > vialab.ca >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > UNSUBSCRIBE from this page: http://mailman.uib.no/options/corpora >> > Corpora mailing list -- corpora@list.elra.info >> > To unsubscribe send an email to corpora-le...@list.elra.info >> > _______________________________________________ >> > UNSUBSCRIBE from this page: http://mailman.uib.no/options/corpora >> > Corpora mailing list -- corpora@list.elra.info >> > To unsubscribe send an email to corpora-le...@list.elra.info >> >> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE from this page: http://mailman.uib.no/options/corpora > Corpora mailing list -- corpora@list.elra.info > To unsubscribe send an email to corpora-le...@list.elra.info > > -- > Daniel HENKEL <https://univ-paris8.academia.edu/DanielHENKEL> > > *Maître de Conférences (Linguistique et Traduction) UFR5 LLCE-LEA • EA1569 > TransCrit* > Université Paris 8 Vincennes-St-Denis > > > *“non si può stendere una tipologia delle traduzioni, ma al massimo una > tipologia di diversi modi di tradurre, volta per volta negoziando il fine > che ci si propone – e volta per volta scoprendo che i modi di tradurre sono > più di quelli che sospettiamo.”* U. 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