I don't have to answer to you tenebroust, you are not the moderator as far
as I know, but for your information some believe that the Talmud is
Babylonian. That the Jews didn't write it so are not responsible for the
content.
Other say that the Jesuits wrote the Protocols of Zion.
Yet others say the Kaballa is Hindu.
So that leaves the Jews entirely innocent dosen't it?
My belief on this, which you have said you won't attack, is that the above
is entirely possible to my belief system, but I further believe that in
addition to the Jesuits getting the Protocols information it may have been
channeled,
because I don't think any human could think that up. These Jesuits may have
been originally genetically from the Pharisees, who would have Babylonian
blood of a non human nature. So they are not really 'chosen ones'.
So that means these books are attributed to Jews and they may not have
anything to do with writing them at all.
So that another view, and as you can see I post stuff from Catholics, Jews
{brit AM} and new agers so to me is is infomation only, I do not endorse
everything.
You only post comments so you only have your views, I present a variety.
Nicky
-----Original Message-----
From: tenebroust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, 22 June 2000 15:45
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
There is a good reason that the only writers which comment on this issue are
Christian, and not Islamic, or Buddhist, etc. It's because the whole
subject is invented by, and propagated by CHRISTIANS. No other group gives
a damn. I do not want to see anyone here attacking other list members
BELIEFS. You are totally free, and have my blessing, to believe what you
will. I, and everyone else here is free to challenge information brought
here. The Talmud business, the Protocals, etc., are all part of a
systematic concocted "history" that has been perpetrated by the Catholic
Church, and other prominent European (and now American) groups to place the
"Jew" in the context of evil, cheapskate, cheat, etc. This has led to and
been used to kill and imprison them, as well as take their land and
property.
Sadly they aren't the only group to be so affected, just the one that most
consistently is targetted, because they haven't yet been wiped out (despite
many attempts to do so) like the others (Cathars, Anabaptists, etc.).
On Wed, 21 June 2000, Nicky Molloy wrote:
>
> Josh,
>
> You've hurt my feelings now, to think I'm in your tribe too. So we take it
> that you endorse the Talmud then? I'd like to know why it isn't available
in
> the public library, I think we all know why. Perhaps I could find some
> better writings on the Talmud, written by Jews. Would that appeal? I
> wouldn't want you to think I was only writing the Christian view.
>
> Perhaps the Kaballa? If I send something on that written by Christians
would
> you say I particularly am deluded?
> Ahh if I send something on the Protocols written by a Christian will you
> also cut me down?
>
> I'm not particularly looking for Christian writers but bud you are
> outnumbered in USA. the chances of finding someone other than a Christian
> writer on this is slim. I have never seen a Moslem, Buddhist, Hindu ever
> take the trouble to write on these tabu subjects. Yet you particularly
enjoy
> slandering Christians and Christianity and that's supposed to be Ok
tarring
> everyone with the same brush.
>
> I posted it because it makes a change from always hearing bad things about
> Christianity and I thought it may be valuable to some. I'm not anti
Jewish.
> Even some Jews don't know what's in the book. Just pick out what you want
> and leave the rest, if you don't then you are reduced to not sending stuff
> and commenting endlessly and tediously on those people's that do send..Its
> getting like a flock of seagulls pouncing on a tidbit to tear a piece for
> themselves.
>
> My posts are generating too many arguments. I haven't got time to pander
to
> people's egos, its just information. I am interested in religious views of
> all kinds among other things.Pick on someone yer own size you big bully!
>
> Nicky
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nurev Ind Research <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tuesday, 20 June 2000 03:07
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
>
>
> Nicky Molloy wrote:
> >
> > Talmud Exposed
> > http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud.htm#Talmud Exposed
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----
> > http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/natural.htm
> >
> > Contents:
> > The Talmud is Judasim's Holiest Book
> > Some Teachings of The Jewish Talmud
> > Insults Against The Blessed Virgin Mary
> > Talmud Attacks Christians
> > Christian Book Burning
> > Sick and Insane Teachings of the Jewish Talmud
> > Tales of a Roman Holocaust
> > A Revealing Admission
> > Pharisiac Rituals
> > A Great Rabbi Deceives A Woman
> > Genocide Advocated by The Talmud
> > Jewish Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are Not Humans
> > The Teachings of Maimonides
> > Deception and Dissimulation
> > Judean-Christian Response to The Talmud
> >
> > The Talmud is Judaism's Holiest Book
>
> Wrong! No Jew who ever lived thought that. EVER!
>
> > The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books).
Its
> > authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism.
>
> Wrong! No Jew in all of history ever thought that.
>
> > Evidence of
> > this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition):
"My
> > son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than
in
> > the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."
>
> Total bullshit.
>
> > The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also
> be
> > seen in the case of the Black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians have more
> knowledge
> > of the Old Testament than the Israelis.
>
> Wrong! The Talmud is only studied by the ultra ortodox. Just about
everyone
> in
> Israel has studied the actual Bible because the Bible is Jewish national
> history and part of school studies in the same way we learn about American
> history in schools here.
>
> Ethiopian Jews, with very few exceptions, know very little about their
> Jewish
> roots because they were isolated and forced into conversion to
Christianity.
> Many knew they were Jews but had little reason to practice their herritage
> in the face of their neighbor's oppression. When they got to Israel they
> caught up. Today they are full integrated into the general society.
>
> > However, their religion is so
> > ancient it pre-dates the Scribes' Talmud, of which the Ethiopians have
no
> > knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept. 29, 1992, p.4:
> >
> > "The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no further than the
> > Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other commentaries that form the
> basis
> > of modern traditions never came their way."
>
> This is true.
> >
> > Because they don't traffic in Talmudic traditions, the Black Ethiopian
> Jews
> > are discriminated against and have been forbidden by the Zionists to
> perform
> > marriages, funerals and other services in the Israeli state.
> >
> > Rabbi Joseph D. Soloveitchik is regarded as one of the most influential
> > rabbis of the 20th century, the "unchallenged leader" of Orthodox
Judaism
> > and the top international authority on halakha (Jewish religious law).
> > Soloveitchik was responsible for instructing and ordaining more than
2,000
> > rabbis, "an entire generation" of Jewish leadership.
> >
> > N.Y. Times religion reporter Ari Goldman described the basis of the
> rabbi's
> > authority:
> >
> > "Soloveitchik came from a long line of distinguished Talmudic
> > scholars...Until his early 20s, he devoted himself almost exclusively to
> the
> > study of the Talmud...He came to Yeshiva University's Elchanan
Theological
> > Seminary where he remained the pre-eminent teacher in the Talmud...He
held
> > the title of Leib Merkin professor of Talmud...sitting with his feet
> crossed
> > in front of a table bearing an open volume of the Talmud." (N.Y. Times,
> > April 10, 1993, p. 38).
> >
> > Nowhere does Goldman refer to Soloveitchik's knowledge of the Bible as
the
> > basis for being one of the top world authorities on Jewish law. The
> rabbi's
> > credentials are all predicated upon his mastery of the Talmud. All other
> > studies are clearly secondary. Britain's Jewish Chronicle of March 26,
> 1993
> > states that in religious school (yeshiva), Jews are "devoted to the
Talmud
> > to the exclusion of everything else."
>
> Everything you've read up to this point is wrong. I know this for a FACT
> because I am especially familiar the subject.
>
> If you think that you are going to get any sensible information about the
> Talmud from an outfit called - biblebelievers.org.au -, then you would be
> as deluded as poor Nicky. If you want good info about the subject, there
> are many books put out by Catholic and Protestant scholars who actually
> know something about the subject at hand.
>
> > The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is
> > partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These
had
> > not yet been written down in Jesus' time. Christ condemned the
traditions
> of
> > the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and
> Pharisees),
> > because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.
>
> This is such a ridiculous statement, only a really ignorant bigot could
make
> it and only really really ignorant bigots believe it. This is like saying
> that
> christians don't really worship Jesus, but do worship a wafer they eat in
> church.
>
> This is the quality of information that consistently gets spewed out by
> Nicky. Wrong, stupid, and insane drivel.
>
> Joshua2
>
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