First of all, I am a moderator, but no one has to "answer to me" as long as they
follow list rules. If you want to believe the tripe about the Talmud, and that the
Protocals are "channeled", or whatever, be my guest, but don't expect me or other
people on this list to sit idly by without challenging the ideas.
Frankly I am sick of the Protocols business, and the Talmud stuff and the general
bashing of the Jews (as well I might add, other disenfrancised groups now and
throughout history). The Jews have been the scapegoats of history since the New
Testament makes it seem it is THEIR fault that Christ was killed, when it is
abundantly clear it was the ROMANS who had absolute authority over life and death in
the region at that time. The same kind of things happen to other groups as well.
Jewish beliefs are old, and while I think a great deal of their religion is myth, like
most other religions, I support their right to live in peace and believe what they
want. The way I see it is, EVEN IF the Talmud was their highest law, and EVEN IF what
these Christian writers say about it is true, it is still ridiculous to believe that
all the Jews are running around today conspiring with each other against Christians or
anyone else. In my mind it is pure foolishness.
Now, having said all that, I don't hold the Jews to any higher standard than I do
anyone else. They are just as much prone to evil as the next man, and I believe that
some of them exploit, kill, steal, and are in on conspiracies to dupe people, as well
as all the other evil things that MEN do.
In terms of wrongdoing and death, however, no one will ever beat White Europeans, and
the Catholic Church.
On Wed, 21 June 2000, Nicky Molloy wrote:
>
> I don't have to answer to you tenebroust, you are not the moderator as far
> as I know, but for your information some believe that the Talmud is
> Babylonian. That the Jews didn't write it so are not responsible for the
> content.
>
> Other say that the Jesuits wrote the Protocols of Zion.
>
> Yet others say the Kaballa is Hindu.
>
> So that leaves the Jews entirely innocent dosen't it?
>
> My belief on this, which you have said you won't attack, is that the above
> is entirely possible to my belief system, but I further believe that in
> addition to the Jesuits getting the Protocols information it may have been
> channeled,
> because I don't think any human could think that up. These Jesuits may have
> been originally genetically from the Pharisees, who would have Babylonian
> blood of a non human nature. So they are not really 'chosen ones'.
>
> So that means these books are attributed to Jews and they may not have
> anything to do with writing them at all.
>
> So that another view, and as you can see I post stuff from Catholics, Jews
> {brit AM} and new agers so to me is is infomation only, I do not endorse
> everything.
>
> You only post comments so you only have your views, I present a variety.
>
> Nicky
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tenebroust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thursday, 22 June 2000 15:45
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
>
>
> There is a good reason that the only writers which comment on this issue are
> Christian, and not Islamic, or Buddhist, etc. It's because the whole
> subject is invented by, and propagated by CHRISTIANS. No other group gives
> a damn. I do not want to see anyone here attacking other list members
> BELIEFS. You are totally free, and have my blessing, to believe what you
> will. I, and everyone else here is free to challenge information brought
> here. The Talmud business, the Protocals, etc., are all part of a
> systematic concocted "history" that has been perpetrated by the Catholic
> Church, and other prominent European (and now American) groups to place the
> "Jew" in the context of evil, cheapskate, cheat, etc. This has led to and
> been used to kill and imprison them, as well as take their land and
> property.
> Sadly they aren't the only group to be so affected, just the one that most
> consistently is targetted, because they haven't yet been wiped out (despite
> many attempts to do so) like the others (Cathars, Anabaptists, etc.).
>
>
> On Wed, 21 June 2000, Nicky Molloy wrote:
>
> >
> > Josh,
> >
> > You've hurt my feelings now, to think I'm in your tribe too. So we take it
> > that you endorse the Talmud then? I'd like to know why it isn't available
> in
> > the public library, I think we all know why. Perhaps I could find some
> > better writings on the Talmud, written by Jews. Would that appeal? I
> > wouldn't want you to think I was only writing the Christian view.
> >
> > Perhaps the Kaballa? If I send something on that written by Christians
> would
> > you say I particularly am deluded?
> > Ahh if I send something on the Protocols written by a Christian will you
> > also cut me down?
> >
> > I'm not particularly looking for Christian writers but bud you are
> > outnumbered in USA. the chances of finding someone other than a Christian
> > writer on this is slim. I have never seen a Moslem, Buddhist, Hindu ever
> > take the trouble to write on these tabu subjects. Yet you particularly
> enjoy
> > slandering Christians and Christianity and that's supposed to be Ok
> tarring
> > everyone with the same brush.
> >
> > I posted it because it makes a change from always hearing bad things about
> > Christianity and I thought it may be valuable to some. I'm not anti
> Jewish.
> > Even some Jews don't know what's in the book. Just pick out what you want
> > and leave the rest, if you don't then you are reduced to not sending stuff
> > and commenting endlessly and tediously on those people's that do send..Its
> > getting like a flock of seagulls pouncing on a tidbit to tear a piece for
> > themselves.
> >
> > My posts are generating too many arguments. I haven't got time to pander
> to
> > people's egos, its just information. I am interested in religious views of
> > all kinds among other things.Pick on someone yer own size you big bully!
> >
> > Nicky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nurev Ind Research <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Tuesday, 20 June 2000 03:07
> > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
> >
> >
> > Nicky Molloy wrote:
> > >
> > > Talmud Exposed
> > > http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud.htm#Talmud Exposed
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > > ----
> > > http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/natural.htm
> > >
> > > Contents:
> > > The Talmud is Judasim's Holiest Book
> > > Some Teachings of The Jewish Talmud
> > > Insults Against The Blessed Virgin Mary
> > > Talmud Attacks Christians
> > > Christian Book Burning
> > > Sick and Insane Teachings of the Jewish Talmud
> > > Tales of a Roman Holocaust
> > > A Revealing Admission
> > > Pharisiac Rituals
> > > A Great Rabbi Deceives A Woman
> > > Genocide Advocated by The Talmud
> > > Jewish Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are Not Humans
> > > The Teachings of Maimonides
> > > Deception and Dissimulation
> > > Judean-Christian Response to The Talmud
> > >
> > > The Talmud is Judaism's Holiest Book
> >
> > Wrong! No Jew who ever lived thought that. EVER!
> >
> > > The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books).
> Its
> > > authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism.
> >
> > Wrong! No Jew in all of history ever thought that.
> >
> > > Evidence of
> > > this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition):
> "My
> > > son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than
> in
> > > the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."
> >
> > Total bullshit.
> >
> > > The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also
> > be
> > > seen in the case of the Black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians have more
> > knowledge
> > > of the Old Testament than the Israelis.
> >
> > Wrong! The Talmud is only studied by the ultra ortodox. Just about
> everyone
> > in
> > Israel has studied the actual Bible because the Bible is Jewish national
> > history and part of school studies in the same way we learn about American
> > history in schools here.
> >
> > Ethiopian Jews, with very few exceptions, know very little about their
> > Jewish
> > roots because they were isolated and forced into conversion to
> Christianity.
> > Many knew they were Jews but had little reason to practice their herritage
> > in the face of their neighbor's oppression. When they got to Israel they
> > caught up. Today they are full integrated into the general society.
> >
> > > However, their religion is so
> > > ancient it pre-dates the Scribes' Talmud, of which the Ethiopians have
> no
> > > knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept. 29, 1992, p.4:
> > >
> > > "The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no further than the
> > > Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other commentaries that form the
> > basis
> > > of modern traditions never came their way."
> >
> > This is true.
> > >
> > > Because they don't traffic in Talmudic traditions, the Black Ethiopian
> > Jews
> > > are discriminated against and have been forbidden by the Zionists to
> > perform
> > > marriages, funerals and other services in the Israeli state.
> > >
> > > Rabbi Joseph D. Soloveitchik is regarded as one of the most influential
> > > rabbis of the 20th century, the "unchallenged leader" of Orthodox
> Judaism
> > > and the top international authority on halakha (Jewish religious law).
> > > Soloveitchik was responsible for instructing and ordaining more than
> 2,000
> > > rabbis, "an entire generation" of Jewish leadership.
> > >
> > > N.Y. Times religion reporter Ari Goldman described the basis of the
> > rabbi's
> > > authority:
> > >
> > > "Soloveitchik came from a long line of distinguished Talmudic
> > > scholars...Until his early 20s, he devoted himself almost exclusively to
> > the
> > > study of the Talmud...He came to Yeshiva University's Elchanan
> Theological
> > > Seminary where he remained the pre-eminent teacher in the Talmud...He
> held
> > > the title of Leib Merkin professor of Talmud...sitting with his feet
> > crossed
> > > in front of a table bearing an open volume of the Talmud." (N.Y. Times,
> > > April 10, 1993, p. 38).
> > >
> > > Nowhere does Goldman refer to Soloveitchik's knowledge of the Bible as
> the
> > > basis for being one of the top world authorities on Jewish law. The
> > rabbi's
> > > credentials are all predicated upon his mastery of the Talmud. All other
> > > studies are clearly secondary. Britain's Jewish Chronicle of March 26,
> > 1993
> > > states that in religious school (yeshiva), Jews are "devoted to the
> Talmud
> > > to the exclusion of everything else."
> >
> > Everything you've read up to this point is wrong. I know this for a FACT
> > because I am especially familiar the subject.
> >
> > If you think that you are going to get any sensible information about the
> > Talmud from an outfit called - biblebelievers.org.au -, then you would be
> > as deluded as poor Nicky. If you want good info about the subject, there
> > are many books put out by Catholic and Protestant scholars who actually
> > know something about the subject at hand.
> >
> > > The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is
> > > partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These
> had
> > > not yet been written down in Jesus' time. Christ condemned the
> traditions
> > of
> > > the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and
> > Pharisees),
> > > because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.
> >
> > This is such a ridiculous statement, only a really ignorant bigot could
> make
> > it and only really really ignorant bigots believe it. This is like saying
> > that
> > christians don't really worship Jesus, but do worship a wafer they eat in
> > church.
> >
> > This is the quality of information that consistently gets spewed out by
> > Nicky. Wrong, stupid, and insane drivel.
> >
> > Joshua2
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