On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Tom Vogt wrote:

> say, isn't the fact that there hasn't been a communist state despite
> several attempts to create one a good proof that the concept is not
> implementable?

No, it simply means that there were political and economic factors
sufficient to hijack the process. The fall of the Russian regime in the
early 90's and their subsequent aborted attempt at democrcy is as clear an
example of political processes in the harsh light of reality as the
original creation of the CCCP, Communist China, Cuba, etc. The current
political turmoil in Africa is a long-term example of how this can destroy
any cohesive political process.
 
> of course, another approach would be to reply with: "hey, there also
> hasn't been a true national socialism (nazi) state so far, only
> hitlerism. let's give it another try, shall we?".

Actualy national socialism is one of the few examples of a political
process being implimented. However, it was eventualy over-taken by
personal interest (e.g. Goerings theft of art treasures and his drug
addiction). It can also be argued, and has, that the nazi regime never
implimented nazi'ism per se (simply using it as the philosophical
backbone) but rather is the first example of a polyocracy (e.g. "The
Rocket and the Reich", M.J. Neufeld, ISBN 0-674-77650).

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